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The Bad News We Are Back To 1931/The Good News Its Not 1933

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 03 Feb 2009, 22:05:31

Bad news: we're back to 1931. Good news: it's not 1933 yet
Barack Obama inherits an economy already contracting at an annual rate of 6pc, much like the mid-Depression year of 1931 (-6.4pc), writes Ambrose Evans-Pritchard By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Last Updated: 8:38AM GMT 26 Jan 2009:
This may beat Germany (-7pc) Japan (-12pc) and Korea (-22pc) over the fourth quarter. But that merely underlines the dangers ahead as the collapse of global trade chokes the mini-boom in US exports, setting off another stage of the crisis.

The US is losing 500,000 jobs a month. Brazil lost 650,000 in December. Beijing says 10m Chinese have lost their jobs since the crunch began. Japan's exports fell 35pc last month, year-on-year. The central bank is printing money furiously, buying bonds to prevent a relapse into deflation.

So yes, it is like early 1931. Citigroup and Bank of America have more or less disintegrated. JP Morgan's health is failing fast. General Motors and Chrysler survive only on life-support from the US taxpayer.

But it is not yet like 1933. That second leg down was the result of "liquidation" policies by a Dickensian leadership blind to the dangers of debt deflation. By then the Gold Standard had degenerated into an instrument of torture. It forced the Fed to raise rates from 1.5pc to 3.5pc in October 1931 to stem gold loss, with predictable results for shattered banks.

It is worth glancing at the front page of New York Times on Monday March 6, 1933 to see what the world looked like three days after Franklin Roosevelt moved into the White House.

The newspaper splashed with the story that FDR had closed the US banking system – invoking the Trading with Enemies Act – and ordered the confiscation of private gold. From left to right, the headlines read: "Hitler Bloc Wins A Reich Majority, Rules Prussia"; "Japanese Push On In Fierce Fighting, China Closes Wall, Nanking Admits Defeat"; "City Scrip To Replace Currency"; "President Takes Steps Under Sweeping Law of War Time"; "Prison For Gold Hoarders".

President Obama faces a happier world. The liberal economic order is still in tact, if fraying at the edges. Capital and ships move freely. North America and Europe talk the same political language. China has so far proved a dependable pillar of the international system.

But then the world seemed benign enough in early 1931. It is the second phase of depression that does terrible things.

Roosevelt took over a country where the economic machinery had completely broken down. The New York Stock Exchange and the Chicago Board of Trade had closed. Thirty-two states had shut their banks. Texas had restricted withdrawals to $10 a day.

Few states could borrow on the bond markets. Illinois and much of the South had stopped paying teachers. Schools closed for months. An army of 25,000 famished war veterans squatting in view of Congress had been charged by troopers of the 3rd US cavalry with naked sabres – led by a Major George Patton.

Armed farmers threatening revolution had laid siege to a string or Prairie cities. A mob had stormed the Nebraska Capitol. Minnesota's governor was recruiting Communists only for the state militia. Lawyers attempting to enforce foreclosures were shot. More than 100,000 New Yorkers applied to go to the Soviet Union when Moscow advertised for 6,000 skilled workers.

We forget how close America came to open revolt. Eleanor Roosevelt feared the country was beyond saving. Her husband kept the faith. He channelled the anger against Wall Street, diffusing it. "The practices of the unscrupulous money-changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion," he began his presidency.

The Fed was an ideological deadweight. Bowing to pressure from Congress it began to purchase bonds in mid-1932 to boost the money supply, but then recoiled, before retreating into pitiful self-justification. A third of the rescue funds in Hoover's Reconstruction Finance Corporation had been embezzled.

Today there has been no such failure of US institutional imagination, even if, as George Soros argues, the Treasury's policies have been "haphazard and capricious".

The twin blasts of fiscal and monetary stimulus have been massive. In short order the Fed has slashed rates to zero. It is now conjuring money out of thin air on an industrial scale, buying $600bn of mortgage bonds to force down the cost of home loans, and propping up the commercial paper market to avoid mass corporate default. Ben Bernanke, a Depression junkie, is proceeding with a messianic sense of certainty. The wash of money should ensure that the next 18 months will not mimic the cascade of disasters from late 1931 to early 1933.

It buys time. But it does not solve the deeper problem, which is that a West addicted to Ponzi credit has put off the day of reckoning with ever more extreme monetary policy with each downturn, stealing prosperity from the future.

It will be an extremely delicate task to right the ship again. Central banks will have to extricate themselves from their venture into the bond markets without setting off a bond debacle in 2010 or 2011. Governments will have to map out of a path of Puritan discipline for year after year.

This will be Barack Obama's grim test of statesmanship.
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Re: The Bad News We Are Back To 1931/The Good News Its Not 1

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 03 Feb 2009, 22:14:30

These are the last weeks headlines. Breaking News

The Economy
2/3 SanDisk plunges on weak outlook – MarketWatch
2/3 Madison Avenue shops are packing their hand-tooled bags – New York Times
2/3 Downward spiral in autos – Mish
2/3 State employees will probably face more furloughs – Atlanta Journal-Constitution
2/3 Ford's U.S. sales plummet 42% – Reuters
2/3 The human cost – Richter Report
2/3 FDIC needs bigger credit line – Option Armageddon
2/3 Wealth evaporation of $40 trillion – MyBudget 360
2/3 What makes this recession so different – MoneyWeek
2/3 Runaway train gathers momentum – Mish
2/3 Australia and Japan add stimulus measures – International Herald Tribune
2/3 Dow Chemical posts $1.55 billion quarterly loss, revenue skids – Associated Press
2/3 Motorola forecasts wider loss, suspends dividend – Bloomberg
2/3 Insurers' corporate bond losses may exceed subprime – Bloomberg
2/3 Wall Street, a financial epithet, stirs outrage – New York Times
2/2 In a sole revival, recession gives beleaguered cobblers new traction – Wall Street Journal
2/2 Macy's slashes 7,000 jobs, cuts dividend – Bloomberg
2/2 Calls to Dallas-area crisis lines on rise during recession – Dallas News
2/2 As recession ravages their assets, the rich retrench – USA Today
2/2 Clean-tech breakthroughs of January 2009 – GreenStockInvesting
2/2 California holds back payments amid budget crisis – Reuters
2/2 Applied Materials sees weaker quarter – MarketWatch
2/2 We're headed for a long, deep depression – MoneyWeek
2/2 Wells Fargo's balance sheet: scaring the horses – Minyanville
2/2 Railroad traffic plunges – Mish
2/2 China: up to 26 million migrants now jobless – Associated Press
2/2 Risks are vast in revaluation of assets – New York Times

Precious Metals
2/3 Gold below $900 on profit taking – MarketWatch
2/3 Unfinished business – Ted Butler
2/3 Silver Standard Resources update – Yahoo! Finance
2/3 Gold makes slight gains as dollar turns lower – MarketWatch
2/3 Silver for immediate delivery – Flett Exchange
2/2 Rising commodities, falling stocks, risk-reward ratio – GoldAndOilGuy
2/2 Bonds slumping, metals looking bullish – Seeking Alpha
2/1 Fed monetizes debt, investors buy gold – GoldSeek
2/1 What if stocks were priced in gold? – Seeking Alpha
1/30 Gold rally fills vaults on banks' unprecedented steps – Bloomberg
1/30 The gold purchase heard 'round the world – Motley Fool
1/30 Silver in backwardation! Has the last contango been danced in Washington? – Nolan Chart
1/30 Gold: investment demand stampedes – GoldSeek
1/30 Gold is leading – Goldmau
1/30 Dollars, dollars everywhere – USA Gold
1/30 What the real price of gold should be – MoneyWeek
1/30 Gold Fibonacci retracement – INO
1/30 Gold hits six-month high on safe haven buying – MarketWatch
1/30 Daily resource plus – Casey Research
1/29 Gold price could treble if China divests dollars, mining boss warns – Times Online

The Dollar
2/3 U.S. debt default, dollar collapse altogether likely – Seeking Alpha
2/3 Australia cuts key rate to 45-year low, 3.25% – Bloomberg
2/3 Dollar, yen fall as efforts to spur growth lessen haven demand – Bloomberg
2/2 Concern as money moves out of China – International Herald Tribune
2/2 Dollar surges against British pound – MarketWatch
2/2 Pound falls against dollar, euro, as Barclay's rating cut – Bloomberg
2/2 Nervous U.K. keeps eye on ratings game – Herald
1/31 Putin calls for end of dollar stranglehold – Telegraph UK
1/31 Chinese purchase of Treasuries "will depend on risk" – Reuters
1/30 Dollar, yen rise versus euro as slump spurs demand for haven – Bloomberg
1/30 Deflation draws near in Europe – Forbes
1/30 Hungary's forint tumbles to record low – Bloomberg
1/29 Zimbabwe abandons its currency – BBC
1/29 Fed termites to infest long end of bond market – iTulip
1/29 Seigniorage ("the inflation tax") – Dollar Daze
1/29 The euro and the dollar – INO
1/29 Ruble tumbles most in decade as speculators see target breaking – Bloomberg
1/29 New Zealand slashes key rate by 1.5 points – MarketWatch
1/28 EURUSD: anticipate – Elliott Wave International
1/28 Fed ready to use all its tools – New York Times

The Real Estate Bust
2/3 Las Vegas economic snapshot – Economicrot
2/3 Foreclosures dominate home sales – CNN Money
2/3 If we can't stop foreclosures, maybe it's time to rent – Washington Independent
2/3 High-end housing market ravaged by stock sell-off – CNBC
2/3 U.S. property owners lost $3.3 trillion in home value last year – Bloomberg
2/3 Pending home sales rise 6.3% – Reuters
2/3 D.R. Horton narrows loss – New York Times
2/2 U.S. mortgage time bomb needs diffusing yesterday – Bloomberg
2/2 LA's west side succumbs as housing goes south – Los Angeles Times
2/2 Boise renters increasingly caught in foreclosure crisis – Idaho Statesman
2/2 We already own more than you think– Dr. Housing Bubble
2/2 Falling retail rents in New York – Calculated Risk
1/31 Case-Shiller and CAR analysis – Mish
1/31 Why be a nation of mortgage slaves – Wall Street Journal
1/30 Freddie Mac to let residents rent homes after foreclosure – USA Today
1/30 The ugly math of foreclosures – Reuters
1/29 Slow motion housing cycles – DeForest McDuff
1/29 Metro Atlanta home construction falls 62% – Atlanta Journal-Constitution
1/29 Maul market: Cincinnati mall sells on the cheap – Wall Street Journal
1/29 CRE tax bills due, will anyone pay? – Mish
1/29 Foreclosures loom over East Bay hotels – Inside Bay Area
1/29 One bad bet in California – Housing Bubble
1/29 December new home sales at lowest level on record – Bloomberg
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Re: The Bad News We Are Back To 1931/The Good News Its Not 1

Unread postby Chuckmak » Wed 04 Feb 2009, 01:49:59

couldn't you just link directly to the financialsense.com storm watch page, demolay?
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