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How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby bratticus » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 08:24:54

I've been feeling a bit down and I thought I'd reach out here for some cheerful advice.
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Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 08:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his forum is for discussing psychological impacts of hydrocarbon depletion and related issues.


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Unread postby Niagara » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 08:48:04

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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 10:04:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', 'I')'ve been feeling a bit down and I thought I'd reach out here for some cheerful advice.


It gets to me every now and then. I am convinced we'll pull it, and have worked out the economics of how and why - for my own recreation, inside my head. I can tell myself, and believe myself, we'll substitute oil. So, no doomerism for me. That, I found, helps me a lot.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 10:40:56

I was initially relieved by oil dropping in price but the flipside of all that is the sense of alienation that comes from having such a weaker hand to play in converting those around me into believers. I do not want to go it alone just me and my daughter in a sea of doubters.

The credit crisis in combination with the lower oil prices is also conspiring to undercut renewables and EV/plugins. It seems like the only real movement that's going to happen there is going to be government rather than consumer-driven.

I think maybe I'll feel a little better after Obama takes office and starts to pass some laws and sign some executive orders to actually steer the ship around.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 16:51:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')I think maybe I'll feel a little better after Obama takes office and starts to pass some laws and sign some executive orders to actually steer the ship around.


I was happy Obama got elected, but I'm not sure it will be an easy path. His "laws" and "executive orders" mean, I believe, tax energy from fossil fuels - that won't make anyone happy, except for the PO crew - and dump good money in renewable projects that might, or might not, deliver return. In other words, he'll diminish the opportunity cost, but it will hurt people. And he won't get re-elected by hurting people. See where I'm getting at.

Just today I went to buy a bottle of gas for the heater. The lady in the store told me the gas had gone down again, and that she hoped it stood that way. I told her I hoped it would double in price overnight, and everyone in the store boo-ed me. It's not an easy proposition - I stand by it, but people must understand we'll all suffer in the short run.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 17:07:28

Its odd, isn't it, to see the oil prices spiking up again? What the heck is going on? Just last week there were stories of oil tanker ships sitting idle and surplus supplies.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 17:10:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')ts odd, isn't it, to see the oil prices spiking up again? What the heck is going on? Just last week there were stories of oil tanker ships sitting idle and surplus supplies.


Could be something to do with the conflict in the Middle East?
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 17:13:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')ts odd, isn't it, to see the oil prices spiking up again? What the heck is going on? Just last week there were stories of oil tanker ships sitting idle and surplus supplies.


There have already been production cuts, you know.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 17:20:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', '
')I was happy Obama got elected, but I'm not sure it will be an easy path.


Even if Obama's energy/environment policy turns out to be ineffective, at least a sincere attempt will have been made. And we will at least see some restoration of civil liberties to tamp down on the residual Alex Jones Endgame nonsense.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 19:28:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', '
')I was happy Obama got elected, but I'm not sure it will be an easy path.


Even if Obama's energy/environment policy turns out to be ineffective, at least a sincere attempt will have been made. And we will at least see some restoration of civil liberties to tamp down on the residual Alex Jones Endgame nonsense.


Yes, I think you need that. I agree he'll probably enact some very important policy; but he's just a part of the system; the President is not a Leviathan.

What I was pointing out was the hardship and toughness everyone will face when a (necessary) part of the solution comes is written into law: putting a price on carbon. Obama was elected, among other things, with the promise of caring for people, of creating in America something close to the sort of welfare states we enjoy in Europe. It does not help his re-election chances that he increases the price of energy, by taxing carbon. Money is in short supply right now.

I hope he pulls it, I seriously do.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 19:44:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', '
')It does not help his re-election chances that he increases the price of energy, by taxing carbon. Money is in short supply right now.


It's kind of a test of the american will. You can't have your cake (environmental policy) and eat it too (cheap fossil fuel lifestyle). Americans (liberals in particular--I don't expect anything from dittohead global warming deniers) need to put their money where their mouth is in moving a green agenda forward. Using only the stick (taxes) won't be taken well. The carrot (green credits/subsidies/jobs) has to be there as well.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby FoolYap » Thu 01 Jan 2009, 11:47:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') was initially relieved by oil dropping in price but the flipside of all that is the sense of alienation that comes from having such a weaker hand to play in converting those around me into believers. I do not want to go it alone just me and my daughter in a sea of doubters.


The good news / bad news of the price drops amid recession/depression has me see-sawing emotionally.

I feel like I have more time to prepare now. That's taken some angst away.

OTOH, I feel like our employment is even more at risk now. That's added even more angst.

If my wife and I stay employed through the recession/depression, then this could be just the pause we all needed.

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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby Ayoob » Thu 01 Jan 2009, 13:23:41

It used to really bother me. I know for a fact that bad things can happen to good people, and I realized early on that PO was going to be an ass whoopin' of biblical proportions. I was going to get my ass whooped, and I was going to be an eyewitness to everybody I know getting their asses whooped.

Now it doesn't bother me so much.

I think that's a function of how much I prepare for the future. If I direct my energy toward preparing for what I think is likely to happen, I calm down. Time goes by, I do what I should do, my situation improves, I get happier. It's a cycle that I enjoy.

I'm not done by any stretch of the imagination at this time, no way. I really hope that nothing catastrophic happens for another year or two. Hell, the more time that goes by before anything really disruptive happens the better! Now that I have my eye on what I want I'd really like to be free to pursue my goals without poverty stopping me.

In the end though, I think poverty is going to be my ally. I will be one of the last to go from lower middle class to abject poverty. I should be able to scrape up the tools and toys I want before the end of the "normal" economy.

After that, it's anyone's guess.

People who work out and eat healthy probably don't worry about hitting the age of 60 as much as people who don't.
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Re: How is Peak Oil Affecting Your Mood?

Unread postby Nicholai » Thu 01 Jan 2009, 19:06:52

Peak oil...what can I say...

I started reading about peak oil about 1.5 years ago. I was an 18 year old Canadian kid living in central Alberta and going to college. Now I'm a 19 year old Canadian kid living at a collective in northern Denmark learning carpentry. Peak oil has been the largest transforming force in my life by far. Don't worry. Travel to the rest of the world and you will appreciate living in North America. I will return soon enough myself, but I needed worldly experiences to enforce the conclusions I had made over the past few years. Most of them were thankfully confirmed. La vie est belle.
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