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Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 04:31:41

After oil hit the record of $147.00 a barrel earlier this year, conservatives who are well aware of peak oil began to plan how to stop peak oil from Happening, and they won.

By engineering a recession/ depression they have temporaily reduced the demand for oil. By creating a credit crisis they have removed all the leveraged speculators such as Lehman brothers out of the oil price equation. By selling their shares at a time when the market is falling they have created a panic, in which investors have pulled their money out from all over the world and exchanged it for US currency. This temporary prop up of the US currency has further weakened the price of oil. Now that oil is bounced back to historical levels it looks like the OPEC cartel might actually fall apart, which would lower oil prices further.

The lowering of the demand for oil and the reduction in the price of oil are signs that the conservative revolution has won. Peak oil has been delayed. It will be years before the fossil fuel's have been depleted enough again that we can approach a peak situation again. Those who have prevented the peak oil crash, will be patting themselves on the back right now.

Know this however- that geology never lies, their only so much oil, natural gas and coal down there and once its depleted its depleted. The next round when oil peaks it will be the real thing. Then no amount of spin, fancy accounting, or creative corruption will solve the world's energy problems.
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby Novus » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 05:18:10

Peak Oil is not about price. It is about worldwide oil production in Millions of Barrels per Day and the net energy given to society. It has peaked regardless of the new depression. The world will never again produce 87MBPD. In fact the decline will be very steep now as market forces no longer support exponential drilling. Many of the new and expensive projects will go bust (ie Canadian tar sands, oil shale, Deep ocean projects). This means we fall into the Oldavi gorge right here and now. Cost > Sale price means little or no oil being produced. Look for some major oil companies to go bankrupt in the near future.
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 06:30:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'A')fter oil hit the record of $147.00 a barrel earlier this year, conservatives who are well aware of peak oil began to plan how to stop peak oil from Happening, and they won.

By engineering a recession/ depression they have temporaily reduced the demand for oil. By creating a credit crisis they have removed all the leveraged speculators such as Lehman brothers out of the oil price equation. By selling their shares at a time when the market is falling they have created a panic, in which investors have pulled their money out from all over the world and exchanged it for US currency. This temporary prop up of the US currency has further weakened the price of oil. Now that oil is bounced back to historical levels it looks like the OPEC cartel might actually fall apart, which would lower oil prices further.

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I didn't think that conservatives were smart enough to control world events to such a degree. To bad they had to move now and throw the election to BHO. Its good to know that they need nether congress nor the white house to contiue to manipulate events for the next four years. They certainly would not have thrown the election if that were not true.
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby Fishman » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 07:38:16

Amazing, I didn't know Dodd, Barny Franks, and Pelosi were conservatives. Their actions were clearly part of the problem, And to set this up so McCain who was leading in the polls before the financial crisis would tank, amazing logic.
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 07:49:13

Aren't they democrats. That's conservative isn't it?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')mazing, I didn't know Dodd, Barny Franks, and Pelosi were conservatives. Their actions were clearly part of the problem, And to set this up so McCain who was leading in the polls before the financial crisis would tank, amazing logic.
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby DirtyHowi » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 08:30:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')ren't they democrats. That's conservative isn't it?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')mazing, I didn't know Dodd, Barny Franks, and Pelosi were conservatives. Their actions were clearly part of the problem, And to set this up so McCain who was leading in the polls before the financial crisis would tank, amazing logic.


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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby Pfish » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 10:18:53

Repent, don't know if I agree with this one. I would say we are in a crisis because of who we are: Consumers who want more credit. How did they do it? One word: Derivatives. 596 Trillion to be exact.....Check this article out. It was posted by another on this forum.... http://seekingalpha.com/article/99674-c ... cy-meeting?
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 10:42:10

It is the general consensus among the talking heads that the economic crisis is the one thing that is putting Obama ahead in the polls. Why would the conservatives rig the economy and defeat their own candidate?
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby green_achers » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 16:00:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')t is the general consensus among the talking heads that the economic crisis is the one thing that is putting Obama ahead in the polls. Why would the conservatives rig the economy and defeat their own candidate?


Um, maybe because they're already catching a shitstorm from the last 8 years and want to leave the nigra holding the bag?
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby pinewillow » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 17:00:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')t is the general consensus among the talking heads that the economic crisis is the one thing that is putting Obama ahead in the polls. Why would the conservatives rig the economy and defeat their own candidate?

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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby heroineworshipper » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 17:23:50

Damn conservatives, renting dumpy apartments & driving Civics when they should have been supporting housing prices & driving SUV's. They will support the SUV McMansion machine, one way or another.
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 22:05:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', '
')Um, maybe because they're already catching a shitstorm from the last 8 years and want to leave the nigra holding the bag?


Does that mean they rigged Hillary's unforseen implosion as well? And wasn't Giuliani the neocon heir apparent, rather than the 'Maverick' that Rush Limbaugh and the other conservative base hated?
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 22:32:35

So, now I've read just about every culprit for the credit crisis imaginable.

In this thread, someone is telling me that the credit crisis was engineered by conservatives to postpone peak oil.

In at least one other thread here, they're trying to say that peak oil caused the credit crisis.

Elsewhere on the internet you can read that the credit crisis has been caused by the Jews, liberals, minorities, greedy capitalists, the Federal Reserve, the Republicans, the Democrats, the Illuminati, and who knows who else. I even saw one website blaming it on the alignment of the planets!
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby pinewillow » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 04:47:12

Of course it was rigged.

No one in their right government controlling mind decreases interest rates to 1% when we have the largest buble in history, it was made to crash.
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby pinewillow » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 05:07:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', '
')Um, maybe because they're already catching a shitstorm from the last 8 years and want to leave the nigra holding the bag?


Does that mean they rigged Hillary's unforseen implosion as well? And wasn't Giuliani the neocon heir apparent, rather than the 'Maverick' that Rush Limbaugh and the other conservative base hated?


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I don't think I cna help you I think you are a plant, but I will answer your untruiths for the benefit of others.

hillaries demise WAS NOT PLANNED the PTB wnated hillary, and the whole machine was for hillary

SHE FAILED TO COME THROUGH cause everyone knew she was untrostworthy and a liar. too many weird events for 8 years in the past.

The credit crises is caused by the same people who caused it in 1929 and in FDR timeline FDR was central to prolong the pain as long as possible so that we would go to war

this is not a difficult concept mossad.

They want to go to war
ok?

THOSE WHO WANT TO GO TO WAR ARE BAD PEOPLE
MCCAIN WANTS TO GO TO WAR
MCCAIN IS BAD PEOPLE

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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby Minvaren » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 09:30:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pinewillow', 'h')illaries demise WAS NOT PLANNED the PTB wnated hillary, and the whole machine was for hillary


I can't say I'd argue with this. She'd be far easier to control than Obama, and we tend to shuffle the idealogues out to pasture early in the primary process.

Back on-topic, I think the credit crisis was a failure of the conservatives - they were trying to keep the house of cards together until after the election, but the winds were a bit stronger than they thought. As a result, they handed the election to the Democrats, who tend to do better votes-wise when there are financial issues happening.

As an aside about the election, I'm not sure if I find it funny or stunning that both sides have shot themselves in the feet so many times with so few bullets in the gun. Then again, we reward incompetence...
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Re: Conservatives 'rigged' credit crisis

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 11:32:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Minvaren', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pinewillow', 'h')illaries demise WAS NOT PLANNED the PTB wnated hillary, and the whole machine was for hillary


I can't say I'd argue with this. She'd be far easier to control than Obama..


I think Obama will be easier to control. Look at his campaign....he hasn't said or done a single thing not authorized by his handlers (with the exception of telling Joe the Plumber he was going to spread his wealth around) through the whole 2-year-long campaign.
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