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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')You know, science and reason became the dominant tools for seeking truth after the centuries of religious atrocities in Europe during the Middle Ages - the Inquisitions, The Crusades, burnings and tortures for blaspheming, etc. -- for hundreds of years.
After the plague wiped out a third of the population (regardless of anyone's position, morality, or importance) everyone could plainly see that the church had no real power. It was all a plain sham. And since the much-feared heavy yoke of the clergy had fallen away, new growth and new intellectual vigor soon replaced it in the form of The Enlightenment in which men of reason cast off their silly beliefs and rigorously sought the truth.

It wasn't too terribly long before the same people of Europe used their new science to figure out what the plague actually had been. They then invented ways to prevent it. They didn't accomplish this feat by praying or dealing Tarot cards or studying numerology.

It's all very funny to me that you treat golem's nonsense as some kind of ideal (as you tap away on your computer keyboard connected to the world wide web) while you treat science and reason as some vaguely contemptible subject that you can disparage as somehow less wholesome.
Well, you're a silly girl who can't think straight. And you must have never read any history.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', 'I')t is to PRESERVE this education and Healing folk modalities(herblore is a part of it.) for USE for people like you, (who may not believe it it) because it has worked over many centuries, and continues to work. It will be a very good tool when TSHTF and we have to go "low tech".

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', 'I')t is to PRESERVE this education and Healing folk modalities(herblore is a part of it.) for USE for people like you, (who may not believe it it) because it has worked over many centuries, and continues to work. It will be a very good tool when TSHTF and we have to go "low tech".

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', 'N')o, I live in Chicago. I was born here. My birth father and his family are from Maxatawny Township in Berks Co. (right near Kutztown.) If you know Rodale Experimental station, it was my Grandpa Siegfried's farm way back when, so I take this as part of my heritage. "Siegfried's Dale", "Siegfried's Bridge", "Siegfriedale Road" is my family. Fisher Lane there off of Hwy 222 is also my family. My family was settled there BEFORE William Penn negotiated that part of Penns' Woods. A good portion of my family resides there still. My family was also a part of building the Railroad stations of Pennsylvania as they were architects and builders, and some became Stationmasters later on. They are members of that list. Carl, if you are of Penn-Deitsch heritage, this is YOUR folkway too. PM me. Come "home"

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I')'m embarrassed to say that I lived in a little place called Gouglersville, right off Hwy. 222, close to Reading.

But, back in those days, me and a friend had really nice bicycles. And we would often ride out into Lancaster and Ephrata and all those Amish place. Way, way out into the country, 80 or 100 miles a trip. It was a splendid place to cycle.

We would stop at the produce stands that the Amish would frequently outside their farms. But the women-folk would head inot the house to get the men to talk to actually sell us whatever we were buying. Man, that was a long time ago.

[Urglaawer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', 'W')hy ashamed Carl? Maxatawny township is just as "country" as that..? My birth father left there because he wanted "out" too. He was a musician, and met my b-mother here, in Chicago. (funny, she wanted "out" too, she was from a farming community up in Clark Co. Wisconsin, home of "Colby cheese") My g-grandparents had a dairy herd, big garden and an apple orchard.
Believe me, Carl, with those kind of genetics I am "hard-wired" to run garden centers!
It gets better...adoptive parents were landscape designers and adoptive mom's dad was an Herbalist from Europe!

It's no crime to come from "small town", heck, we're going to be leading the way BACK TO "small town" and teaching them how it's done!

I have a friend who's from Virginsville (a Yoder) and he used to bike those trails as well. He mused back and forth to me about it, in fact, next time I'm out that a way, I may take my bike and ride those roads with him.
Now, he has a company that moves fine art for the wealthy, invests in NYC real estate (and has moved back to Philly recently), and is a Hex Artist to boot. (he's arranging a showing in Philly at a gallery this autumn for some Hex sign artists that are up and coming.) My hex sign in the avatar is from a Hex painter in upper Michigan who is a friend. It's based on the hex signs developed by Lee Gandee, a fairly famous Hexenmeister who is now deceased.

Are you still there, in Pennsylvania?
Here's something you might like to read, there's alot about Berk's Co. in there. Dennis Boyer's book is very..unique.
http://onceuponahex.com/

Good to know you Carl!
Now, see what happens when we talk TO one another instead of talking AROUND one another...?

Macht's gut!

Blu

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '
')Good to know you Carl!
Now, see what happens when we talk TO one another instead of talking AROUND one another...?

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '
')Good to know you Carl! Now, see what happens when we talk TO one another instead of talking AROUND one another...?

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Urglaawer', 'G')riesse vum Bucks Kaundi, PA!

As a Berks County Deitscher myself, I have to say I always found Gouglersville to be a great little town. Now that 222 has been turned into a full-fledged superhighway in that stretch, I suppose Gouglersville will slowly turn into a bedroom community for Reading and Lancaster.

As for the other topics, I don't disregard science at all, but even science seems not to be able to answer a variety of things definitively (we still seem to be wafting between eggs being healthy and unhealthy), and new information often emerges that, in some cases, may even support the theories behind esoteric practices throughout the ages.

Rob

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '
')I always liked to hear the tales of your mother, she seemed like a gal I would have liked to have known. Wow! Your grandfather was a newspaper publisher, interesting PMS. Your dad was a gardener? Did any of it rub off on you, PMS?

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '
')I always liked to hear the tales of your mother, she seemed like a gal I would have liked to have known. Wow! Your grandfather was a newspaper publisher, interesting PMS. Your dad was a gardener? Did any of it rub off on you, PMS?

[PenultimateManStanding]

I will, I certainly will. I always wondered why dad didn't try to teach me or encourage me in electronics. He did teach me to saddle up and ride a horse. But back to the electronics. Back around 1960 a television was full of vacuum tubes. And the tubes were always going bad. My dad understood perfectly well what was going on inside that television. Whenever something went wrong, he'd go inside, pull a few tubes and head up to the Speedy Mart (Which later became 7-11) and test the tubes there. Imagine that, in 1960 the local convenience store had a vacuum tube tester. He never said anything to me about what he was doing. My uncle told me once that dad was a natural, an intuitive genius of electronics, but dad never said anything. I pressed him years later and he did say that most of the engineers he worked with relied too much on procedure and text book methodology. He told me he could visualize what a circuit would do. Still though, I asked him how much of the mathematics he learned did he need and use. He said "all of it."