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Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 17:29:57

Just read this on energy bulletin.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you're 18 and college-bound, you may be skilled at computers and driving a car; know how to take the second derivative of a quadratic equation in calculus and have learned about electron orbits in chemistry; and may be able to discuss Shakespeare and "To Kill a Mockingbird" intelligently. But do you know how to kill and dress a chicken, or find and prepare wild edible plants in every season, or keep a goat healthy so it produces milk and meat?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen I first met her, Diana was 19 and an evangelical college dropout. She'd realized during her sophomore year that she was in college with no particular plan, and she decided she was wasting time and money. She quit school to learn farming through a series of apprenticeships and told every college student she met how happy she was with her decision.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ike Nowak, I don't know what I would do if I were 18 again. When I left high school in 1981, the back-to-the-land movement was full of people who were trying to carve out a niche to survive a crash. I went to college and even got an advanced degree, and so far no crash has occurred. In the meantime, some of the back-to-the-landers have taught me skills I didn't learn in college, and they have kept local economies and rural skills alive. I'm grateful for that.

This all sums it up nicely. I don't know what people are thinking when they go to college, borrow 10s of thousands of dollars, only to blow it on humanities. Not only that, but the extra opportunity cost of spending 4 years on something you could have learned by yourself at the library or the local bookstore or even browsing the internet (seriously).

It's a strange delusion that I only recently came to terms with personally. There's honestly no point in going to school, especially now, unless you're looking for a job that's within the sciences that will land you a secure job.

In the "forget the chickens" thread, people were talking about the importance of outside jobs. I guess it's harder for older people to say, go back to school and get certified doing some trade or to do an apprenticeship like the article suggests, but there's definitely hope for our youth. (Well actually there's no hope for our youth), but I mean, 18 year olds can do something about their life and make a turn around...They have fresh minds and bodies and hopefully no familial obligations. Unfortunately kids go to school and they get propagandized by teachers and counselors who repeat the mantra, "Go to college so you can get a job and have a nice life and buy a yacht when your retire." Lol. Yes because going to a 4-year college will definitely land you a high-paying job doing whatever you want, whenever you want, and wherever you want.

Conclusion: School is lame. A new era has arrived. :)
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 17:39:14

How about:
Go to college and pick a decent degree
Get a good paying job
Buy and hobby farm while still working full-time
Learn basic country living skills while still making a salary
Once self-sufficient invest your money and live off the farm
When bad times come dip into your investments if need be
Live happily ever after

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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 17:41:55

so quit posturing and get your ass up to Canada. you've got your head up Neetshee and Lay Miserables, kid. If I was your dad I'd tell you get your ass down to the recruitment center now too.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 17:46:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 's')o quit posturing and get your ass up to Canada. you've got your head up Neetshee and Lay Miserables, kid. If I was your dad I'd tell you get your ass down to the recruitment center now too.

Damn. I knew someone was going to turn this into a thread about me. Anyway, I'm working on it, don't worry about me. :)
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Byron100 » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 17:52:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 's')o quit posturing and get your ass up to Canada. you've got your head up Neetshee and Lay Miserables, kid. If I was your dad I'd tell you get your ass down to the recruitment center now too.

Damn. I knew someone was going to turn this into a thread about me. Anyway, I'm working on it, don't worry about me. :)

Spill it, then. What do you have in mind? Inquiring minds want to know. :-D
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:06:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 's')o quit posturing and get your ass up to Canada. you've got your head up Neetshee and Lay Miserables, kid. If I was your dad I'd tell you get your ass down to the recruitment center now too.
Damn. I knew someone was going to turn this into a thread about me. Anyway, I'm working on it, don't worry about me. :)
Spill it, then. What do you have in mind? Inquiring minds want to know.

answer: he's got nothing. An indecisive adolescent who wants to stay at home and read books. Dad wants to whip some sense into him but the World will come crashing down anyway.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:08:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 's')o quit posturing and get your ass up to Canada. you've got your head up Neetshee and Lay Miserables, kid. If I was your dad I'd tell you get your ass down to the recruitment center now too.
Damn. I knew someone was going to turn this into a thread about me. Anyway, I'm working on it, don't worry about me. :)
Spill it, then. What do you have in mind? Inquiring minds want to know.

I look for job postings every single day for oil jobs...I'm looking at entry level positions that don't require anything. No luck yet, but I heard things heat up in Canada during the winter so maybe more job postings will come online soon. Not sure how the hell I'm gonna get to Canada but if there's a will there's a way.

I got a friend to buy me a WWOOF directory for those organic farms I think Leanan pointed me to. I'll be looking for a place to do an apprenticeship soon. If it all fails I have a couple of friends I can stay with for a while I hold down a shitty job at a grocery store or something.

Also I decided if my dad doesn't like what I'm doing I'll just tell him to fuck off and man up to the fact that I'm growing older and I have the capability of making my own life decisions now. Hey, maybe he'll even like that I grew some balls to stand up to him.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:10:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 's')o quit posturing and get your ass up to Canada. you've got your head up Neetshee and Lay Miserables, kid. If I was your dad I'd tell you get your ass down to the recruitment center now too.
Damn. I knew someone was going to turn this into a thread about me. Anyway, I'm working on it, don't worry about me.
Spill it, then. What do you have in mind? Inquiring minds want to know.
answer: he's got nothing. An indecisive adolescent who wants to stay at home and read books. Dad wants to whip some sense into him but the World will come crashing down anyway.

Just because I'm not talking about what "I have" doesn't mean I have nothing. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You fail.

But thanks for the inspiration. There's a lot of people on this site that I would just love to prove wrong. But in the end, your criticisms are empty. Big deal, you think I'm just some psuedo-intellectual know-it-all. Have fun with your forum life of insulting kids over the internets just so you can have a greater e-peen.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:16:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'I') look for job postings every single day for oil jobs...I'm looking at entry level positions that don't require anything. No luck yet,

I graduated May 2006, my brother Dec 2006, and my old roommate May 2007. All degrees focused in oil and gas. I with Economics w/ focus on Energy Management and my bro and my old roommate actually got Energy Management degrees. Energy Management is Petroleum Land Management.

All of us had multiple offers and all of us accepted full-time positions several months before we graduated. Every one of us started above $65k and additonally stock options, signing bonus, and other perks. Go to school and get a job.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:16:47

Go kid! You be sure and let us know of your progress. Plenty of us would love to hear about it. I'm not kidding or being facetious, I mean that.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:23:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'I') look for job postings every single day for oil jobs...I'm looking at entry level positions that don't require anything. No luck yet,
Go to school and get a job.

I don't live near a college of any kind. I'd have to wait until next year to apply for a 4-year university. So that's wasting way too much time. I would go to school if I could.
I just need to do something right now. I feel like I'm standing still watching the train run me over. Woo! Thread derailed.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:27:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'I') don't live near a college of any kind. I'd have to wait until next year to apply for a 4-year university. So that's wasting way too much time. I would go to school if I could.
I just need to do something right now. I feel like I'm standing still watching the train run me over. Woo! Thread derailed.

I grew up in New Mexico and went to the University of Oklahoma. Not exactly close either.

A few questions:
How old are you?
Did you graduate High School?
Did you actually study and make good grades?
What was your plan after High School?
Why are you doing nothing?
Get a part-time job in a rural setting, save your money, and apply for college.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:33:59

17. I have my GED. My grades are okay-ish. I planned to lead a life of emptiness after high school. I'm doing nothing because I feel stupidly helpless right now and I'm not sure what exactly to do.

In a few weeks I'll feel better and maybe be making some real tangible progress getting my life in order.

I turn 18 in December.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:37:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'A') few questions: How old are you? Did you graduate High School?

Strat has been around awhile. His parents will put him through a College. He's got a lot more going for him than most kids. But he's got these well-founded reservations about it. I don't really know what to tell him. I've got a son a year older than him. He wants to study electrical engineering and join the Navy. I have a sinking feeling in my heart that it doesn't matter what the young try to do, it's all over. I let it spill out here but have to keep it to myself otherwise.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:42:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '1')7. I have my GED. My grades are okay-ish. I planned to lead a life of emptiness after high school. I'm doing nothing because I feel stupidly helpless right now and I'm not sure what exactly to do. In a few weeks I'll feel better and maybe be making some real tangible progress getting my life in order. I turn 18 in December.

I suggest getting your own life in order before preaching for others to change theirs.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'C')onclusion: School is lame. A new era has arrived.

I consider feeling helpless with no plan and living with my parents the rest of my life as lame.
Does the new ear involve everyone not knowing what to do and feeling helpless? I guess I don't qualify for the new era because I had a plan in highschool, studied hard, went to college, studied hard again, and got a real job.
I wish I had listened to you before I decided to do all that.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:50:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'H')e's got a lot more going for him than most kids. But he's got these well-founded reservations about it. I don't really know what to tell him...I have a sinking feeling in my heart that it doesn't matter what the young try to do, it's all over. I let it spill out here but have to keep it to myself otherwise.

You're right actually...it's not like I'm totally rational or anyone else. Even in situations where it's so obvious what one should do, trying to make the fact clearer and clearer isn't helping. Trying to reason a person into doing something doesn't work.

Admittedly I've got my head wrapped up in a lot of garbage I could do away with right now, but even sitting down and acknowledging that doesn't work. I'm sure you're sincerely wondering WTF is wrong with me and I can't blame you or anyone else for wondering the same thing.

It's not that I'm "stupid", it's just the common dilemma with youth who don't know wtf they're doing with themselves and how they deal with it comes in many different flavors. It looks stupid on the outside, but some people are really trying here and the problem doesn't have a simple "do this, then do that" answer. So don't worry about what you need to tell me. Just try to piss me off s'more so I'll get off my ass or something. That works sometimes. :)
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:54:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') consider feeling helpless with no plan and living with my parents the rest of my life as lame. Does the new ear involve everyone not knowing what to do and feeling helpless? I guess I don't qualify for the new era because I had a plan in highschool, studied hard, went to college, studied hard again, and got a real job. I wish I had listened to you before I decided to do all that.

There are other things you can do other than go to school...And didn't you actually go to school for something that was useful? You wouldn't say what you just said if you went to school and studied literature.
No plan? Right. I don't have a certain plan right now but I'm weighing a lot of things. I hate you guys...really.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby Polemic » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 18:55:32

Here's a plan for you:
Move to Austin and become a window cleaner.

Pros:
- everyone has windows.
- money is good once you get experience and a good gig - make $100k working for yourself as an owner-operator if you're high energy
- get experience with tall ladders, hanging from buildings, working inside peoples' homes, etc.
- have Popeye arms
- get acclimated to long hours in crappy weather
- driving all over the place means you "learn" the city

Cons:
- dependent on economy
- dependent on driving
- sometimes working outside sucks (like when it's humid and 100 degrees)
- low prestige
- dangerous if you're not conscientious
- monotonous

Basically it can be a good job to have for 20-40 hours a week which will keep you in shape and allow you to put aside a couple hundred bucks a week, and live in a relatively nice place with relatively smart people. I might know someone who would hire you.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 19:03:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'S')o don't worry about what you need to tell me. Just try to piss me off s'more so I'll get off my ass or something. That works sometimes. :)

heh heh. You read my mind. Anyway, good luck to you. Maybe I'll try to piss you off later. Laying around on the couch and reading The Brothers Karamazov doesn't sound so bad. Nice gig if you can get it.
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Re: Survival 101: They don't teach that in most colleges...

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 19:09:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'I')t's not that I'm "stupid", it's just the common dilemma with youth who don't know wtf they're doing with themselves and how they deal with it comes in many different flavors.

That is why everyone tells you to go to college, trade school, or the military. All three of those are better than sitting around doing nothing and feeling helpless.
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