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Flying is not a right, it is a priviledge

Unread postby mattduke » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 00:36:46

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Re: Flying is not a right, it is a priviledge

Unread postby aoeuhtns » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 04:15:04

People are adjusting to the incorrect assumption that most activities are now privileges rather than rights. The original concept of law in this country was that of a blacklist - whatever isn't explicitly disallowed is a right. Now it seems to have switched to a system where we ask helicopter-mom government for permission and plead as much as we can while she begrudgingly tells us, "Alright, but just this one time!", then watches us from the bushes with binoculars trying to keep us safe from boogiemen.
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Re: Flying is not a right, it is a priviledge

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 07:46:35

I believe that flying is a privilege, and that we'll all have to adjust to that fact. I call it a fact, many of you may call it a urban myth. Here are a few reasons why I believe this, not believing the whole terrorist attack mumbo-jumbo: link
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Re: Flying is not a right, it is a priviledge

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 09:05:45

The right of passage is, of course, an inalienable right.

The right of passage using a certain means of conveyance, however, is far less clear - thus the presupposed "necessity" of licensing drivers & pilots to prevent the problems associated with individual mobility en masse.

I'm not sure that driving a car or piloting a plane should be considered a "privilege," but I can certainly see the hazards associated with those activities versus traversing on foot.
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Re: Flying is not a right, it is a priviledge

Unread postby gampy » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 02:27:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'T')he right of passage is, of course, an inalienable right.

The right of passage using a certain means of conveyance, however, is far less clear - thus the presupposed "necessity" of licensing drivers & pilots to prevent the problems associated with individual mobility en masse.

I'm not sure that driving a car or piloting a plane should be considered a "privilege," but I can certainly see the hazards associated with those activities versus traversing on foot.


It's always a balancing act. And the fulcrum likes to move around.

Rights vs responsibility.

I would say that air travel is more privilege, than right.

People are free if they use their two feet, but when you board a public conveyance, there are certain assumed responsibilities.

My personal view goes something like this:

If you are not harming anyone, do what thou wilt.

When harm (and safety) are in question, well...you have to cede some free will in the matter.

If people don't like air travel restrictions, or rules...don't fly.
That's your right.

Some risk is always assumed when boarding an aircraft. If it was not for regulations up the ying yang, people would be too frightened to fly. (aeroflot circa 1965?)

Like I said...it's about balance.
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Re: Flying is not a right, it is a priviledge

Unread postby Kingcoal » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 10:09:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')easonable

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It is unreasonable to require a traveler to wear a shock bracelet. The courts will see it that way. There are too many reasons to list. Shocking a person might kill them if they have a heart problem. Using this idiot's rationale, the TSA never makes mistakes, so if they decide to shock you, you deserved it. The courts will see this as an unreasonable risk. Yes, flying is a privilege, but that doesn't mean that the TSA can walk all over the Bill of Rights. The Constitution limits the power of the government because absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Re: Flying is not a right, it is a priviledge

Unread postby cannedsalmon » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 13:36:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', 'I') believe that flying is a privilege, and that we'll all have to adjust to that fact. I call it a fact, many of you may call it a urban myth. Here are a few reasons why I believe this, not believing the whole terrorist attack mumbo-jumbo: link


No doubt about it.

Soon, breathing will be a privilege if you join the right organization they will let you keep on breathing. If you don't they will kill you.
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Re: Flying is not a right, it is a priviledge

Unread postby Peleg » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 14:07:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aoeuhtns', 'P')eople are adjusting to the incorrect assumption that most activities are now privileges rather than rights. The original concept of law in this country was that of a blacklist - whatever isn't explicitly disallowed is a right. Now it seems to have switched to a system where we ask helicopter-mom government for permission and plead as much as we can while she begrudgingly tells us, "Alright, but just this one time!", then watches us from the bushes with binoculars trying to keep us safe from boogiemen.


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