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Who is to blame?

Unread postby Buggy » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 14:45:39

There is quite a bit of speculation around the forums about whether or not the sheeple are catching on. Here is a survey from the MSM that would say nope, they're still in the dark.

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')Who is to blame for the current high price of gasoline? Oil companies and President Bush share the blame with 28 percent and 25 percent respectively, Twenty-three percent blamed investors and speculators and 17 percent blamed high consumer demand in countries such as China and India.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25411403

Evidenly, Mr. Tapped Out Supply still has his halo on straight.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby mefistofeles » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 16:11:34

As the old expression goes ,"Throw a rock in the air you're bound to someone guilty."
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby Concerned » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 16:55:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', 'T')he die-hard conservatives blame the tree-hugging liberals.
The Liberals blame the Bush war.
The Independents blame the oil companies.

Only a tiny minority of Peak Oil nuts blame geology. How can that tiny minority be right against the weight of expertise of all those other groups?


This is a consumption and population problem. It would happen independent of religion or left/right ideology driving the allocation of capital.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby americandream » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:00:39

It's quite simple really. If as a family, you had a pantry set aside for the winter and one greedy member of the family scoffed the lot in a month. Who would you blame?

That greedy member of that family now presumes to point the finger at the rest!

Hahahaha. Predictable!
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby Buggy » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:34:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')t's quite simple really. If as a family, you had a pantry set aside for the winter and one greedy member of the family scoffed the lot in a month. Who would you blame?

That greedy member of that family now presumes to point the finger at the rest!

Hahahaha. Predictable!


And now we are all fighting over the last cookie.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:36:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Buggy', '
')And now we are all fighting over the last cookie.


I think those who haven't had any cookies should get the last one...

Wouldn't that be fair?
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby vetusfirma » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:39:28

DreamOn: If you studied this issue you would have happened upon Jevrons paradox. The oil will run out regardless of who does what. It's not my fault, not your fault, it just is.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby vetusfirma » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:41:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Buggy', 'A')nd now we are all fighting over the last cookie.
I think those who haven't had any cookies should get the last one...Wouldn't that be fair?

No, I as the toe headed bully, demand all the cookies. It's not wrong in the galactic sense, it's only wrong (or unfair) if you don't get the cookies.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby Novus » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:47:43

Who is to blame???

The answer is we all are to blame. Everyone consumes oil and we all had our hands in this cookie jar.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby hironegro » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:51:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')ho is to blame???The answer is we all are to blame. Everyone consumes oil and we all had our hands in this cookie jar.

Kind of like a drug addict having to look in the mirror and accept the consequences for their actions?
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:51:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')ho is to blame???The answer is we all are to blame. Everyone consumes oil and we all had our hands in this cookie jar.

Well, those of us in the US have the biggest grabby mitt in the jar.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:55:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '[')b]Who is to blame??? The answer is we all are to blame. Everyone consumes oil and we all had our hands in this cookie jar.
Yeah, usually with large problems everyone is to blame...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ty3b4EBMg]V for Vendetta Televised Speech[/url] How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 18:00:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')ho is to blame???The answer is we all are to blame. Everyone consumes oil and we all had our hands in this cookie jar.
Well, those of us in the US have the biggest grabby mitt in the jar.

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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby hironegro » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 18:13:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '[')b]Who is to blame??? The answer is we all are to blame. Everyone consumes oil and we all had our hands in this cookie jar.
Yeah, usually with large problems everyone is to blame... $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ty3b4EBMg]V for Vendetta Televised Speech[/url] How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

Sorry bro V was terrorist
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 18:56:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 'S')orry bro V was terrorist


Yep. That is indeed what we generally label those who insist on autonomy...

(Or rather, that's what those who insist on conformity generally label them...)
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 20:02:04

Alfred P. Sloan Jr.

The Chairman of the Board for General Motors in the 1940s and 1950s.

He's the guy who destroyed the American street car industry, convinced Congress to build a car-based society, invented planned obsolescence, and convinced the American people that they needed to buy a new car as often as possible.

There are others, obviously, but his name sticks out in my mind as the guy who created suburbia and the resultant oil-dependent lifestyle.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby Novus » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 21:06:51

Alfred P Sloan was certainly a very bad man but he hardly acted alone.

I can rattle off a whole bunch of names complicit in the conspiracy:

William Levitt

His idea of utopia was a planned community of 50,000 with no public transportation and all houses accessible only through cars. By all accounts he was an egocentric madman.

Robert Moses

The master builder of New York from 1930 to 1965 who had an obsession with 8 lane freeways. Best known for dynamiting inner city neighborhoods and forcing people into the suburbs.

Dwight D Eisenhower

Champion of recreating Hitler's autobahn in the United States for a staggering cost of $114 billion dollars or ($425 billion in today's money). Total cost after 50 years of maintenance and expansion amounts to over $1 trillion in government road subsidies to suburbia.

Harry .S Truman

Best know for the housing act of 1949 which included the mortgage tax deduction designed to get people into single family homes in the burbs. Total cost in the untold tens of trillions. Father of the ownership society and a way of life we hold to be un-negotiable.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby Revi » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 21:28:19

The blame game is pointless. We are all part of the oil culture. We all drive around in cars. We live a lifestyle that's unsustainable. Hopefully we can use what's left to build a future. I drove over 30 miles today to help build a solar/electric car. Blaming people for the things that happened in the 20th century is not going to help us out now.

It's human nature, though.
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Re: Who is to blame?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 22:37:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')he blame game is pointless.
Never the less, some very good answers. No doubt somebody will
[s]plagiarize[/s] paste together an excellent essay off our posts... :roll:
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