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Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Chaos

Unread postby roccman » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 19:09:39

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.') . . the current ruthless competition between energy and food markets, amplified by international speculation in commodities and agricultural land, is only a modest portent of the chaos that could soon grow exponentially from the convergence of resource depletion, intractable inequality, and climate change. The real danger is that human solidarity itself, like a West Antarctic ice shelf, will suddenly fracture and shatter into a thousand shards.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '*')**Although the idea of the "Anthropocene" -- an Earth epoch defined by the emergence of urban-industrial society as a geological force -- has been long debated, stratigraphers have refused to acknowledge compelling evidence for its advent.***

***At least for the London Society, that position has now been revised.***

***To the question "Are we now living in the Anthropocene? " the 21 members of the Commission unanimously answer "yes." They adduce robust evidence that the Holocene epoch -- the interglacial span of unusually stable climate that has allowed the rapid evolution of agriculture and urban civilization -- has ended and that the Earth has entered "a stratigraphic interval without close parallel in the last several million years." In addition to the buildup of greenhouse gases, the stratigraphers cite human landscape transformation which "now exceeds [annual] natural sediment production by an order of magnitude," the ominous acidification of the oceans, and the relentless destruction of biota.***

***This new age, they explain, is defined both by the heating trend (whose closest analogue may be the catastrophe known as the Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum, 56 million years ago) and by the radical instability expected of future environments. In somber prose, they warn that "the combination of extinctions, global species migrations and the widespread replacement of natural vegetation with agricultural monocultures is producing a distinctive contemporary biostratigraphic signal. These effects are permanent, as future evolution will take place from surviving (and frequently anthropogenically relocated) stocks." Evolution itself, in other words, has been forced into a new trajectory.* **


Well there ya have it folks...humans defined within the current anthropocene era means us monkeys ARE a geologic force on nature.

Like there were any doubts ...eh?
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Unread postby Heineken » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 19:31:27

This idea has been around for some time now. It smacks of hubris.

It will be a very brief era. A vanishingly thin stratum in the rock record.
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Unread postby coyote » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 19:47:33

I was thinking something similar, Heineken. On the one hand, it's frightening that we're having such a profound impact on the state of the world that the evidence of it might actually be visible in the geologic record. But on the other hand, how long can our impact continue? We are colossal now, but not for much longer. In the end, it will have been only a few thousand years.
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Unread postby Heineken » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 22:57:37

Yes. We are so full of ourselves, but we're just a flash in the pan. And within that flash are many tiny sparks known as individual human lives. Pfft and you're gone.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 00:49:17

The Anthopocene will be immediately followed by the Robotocene. Or maybe they'll call it the Cyberocene.
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 08:53:40

The Anthropocene will be followed by a new flowering of life on the planet and a small human population living more as it did hundreds or thousands of years ago. That assumes no major nuclear conflagration, which I regard as a very likely final act.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 09:51:30

Man has greatly increased his knowledge as of late. This is a sign for the ending of the fourth world cycle. The thrid world cycle ended with the great flood. The fourth wheel of time and space will come to a STOP soon! What will take place? No ones knows. I speculate the sprits of the underworld will emerge before of the fifth world cycle begins and all hell will break loose. THE PURIFICATION. :razz:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat assumes no major nuclear conflagration, which I regard as a very likely final act.


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Vision-Master = Golem
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Unread postby Jenab6 » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 11:06:21

As the Anthropocene ends, genocide will become popular (at least on the winning sides) in regions where races are mixed. All the conditioned distaste for it will become unraveled, and competitive interracial evolutionary struggles will once again mark the hominid family. More races might become extinct, just as Neanderthal once did. And the descendants of the victorious races will praise their valiant ancestors for their combat worthiness.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 12:52:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', 'V')ision-Master = Golem


Deluge:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he story of a Great Flood sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution is a widespread theme among many cultural myths. Though it is best known in modern times in the Western world through the Biblical story of Noah's Ark, it is also well known in other versions, such as stories of Matsya in the Hindu Puranas, Deucalion in Greek mythology and Utnapishtim in the Epic of Gilgamesh.



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In the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, toward the end of the He who saw the deep version by Sin-liqe-unninni, there are references to the great flood (above tablet).
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Unread postby vision-master » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 12:54:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'A')s the Anthropocene ends, genocide will become popular (at least on the winning sides) in regions where races are mixed. All the conditioned distaste for it will become unraveled, and competitive interracial evolutionary struggles will once again mark the hominid family. More races might become extinct, just as Neanderthal once did. And the descendants of the victorious races will praise their valiant ancestors for their combat worthiness.


It will go beyound race and there will be no winning side.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 13:00:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')In the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, toward the end of the He who saw the deep version by Sin-liqe-unninni, there are references to the great flood (above tablet).


And what does the great flood have to do with peak oil?
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Unread postby vision-master » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 13:07:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')In the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, toward the end of the He who saw the deep version by Sin-liqe-unninni, there are references to the great flood (above tablet).


And what does the great flood have to do with peak oil?


Thread is about the Anthropocene, not Peak Oil. :razz:
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby Dezakin » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 14:11:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')his idea has been around for some time now. It smacks of hubris.

It will be a very brief era. A vanishingly thin stratum in the rock record.

Not sure why you would say that. CO2 levels will be higher than they were for millions of years. Entire seas have been drained. Weather or not a fan of civilization or optimistic for the future of humanity, it cant be denied that humans have been a very potent force on the planet.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby roccman » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 14:14:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')his idea has been around for some time now. It smacks of hubris.

It will be a very brief era. A vanishingly thin stratum in the rock record.

Not sure why you would say that. CO2 levels will be higher than they were for millions of years. Entire seas have been drained. Weather or not a fan of civilization or optimistic for the future of humanity, it cant be denied that humans have been a very potent force on the planet.


+1

and to sharpen the pencil further..."a very potent" GEOLOGIC force.

THAT is the point of this thread.

Us monkeys have become like tectonic plates.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby darwinsdog » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 18:32:23

As a student, the idea that the "Holocene" or "Recent" should be considered a distinct epoch of the Cenozoic era, smacked of anthropocentric hubris to me. Clearly, thot I, the so-called "Holocene" is just the latest interfluvial period of the ongoing Pleistocene. As time went by I changed my thinking. As modern humans surged up out of Africa & populated the planet, a great anthropogenic mass extinction event was initiated that truly justifies epoch level denomination. With technological implementation humans have accelerated this mass extinction surge as well as having become a potent engine of climate change & erosion. Whether we call this human impacted epoch the "Holocene" or "Anthropocene" doesn't matter. What matters is that the human impacted epoch will continue long after human extinction ensues. It won't end until biodiversity recovers & excess oxidized carbon has been resequestered as buried biomass. The human impacted epoch - whatever one cares to call it - may well last 10 mys.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 23:14:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')his idea has been around for some time now. It smacks of hubris.

It will be a very brief era. A vanishingly thin stratum in the rock record.

Not sure why you would say that. CO2 levels will be higher than they were for millions of years. Entire seas have been drained. Weather or not a fan of civilization or optimistic for the future of humanity, it cant be denied that humans have been a very potent force on the planet.


+1

and to sharpen the pencil further..."a very potent" GEOLOGIC force.

THAT is the point of this thread.

Us monkeys have become like tectonic plates.


Read "The World Without Us," by Alan Weisman. When we're gone the unwinding will be surprisingly rapid, at least of the visible signs that we were here. Yes, there will be some buried junk that will last nearly forever. So what.

The atmosphere is not a geologic feature of the Earth, as far as I know.

There were huge events, like megavolcanoes and asteroidal collisions, before people came along, any one of which had a bigger impact all by itself than what we've done.

We aren't all that.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby roccman » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 23:37:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
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The atmosphere is not a geologic feature of the Earth, as far as I know.


Really ??

So Greenland's ice shelf slipping into the Atlantic because of AGW IS NOT geologic?

That's very interesting.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 02:21:53

I think there are two views of what "anthropocene" actually means being discussed here.

One view is that anthropocene refers to visible, enduring edifices of human creation, buildings, dams, etc. I do not think this is what the proposers mean by the term.

The other view is that anthropocene refers to a state of the geology and climate that has been dramatically, and permanently altered by the combined action of humans. Those changes will endure, even if we simply cease to exist tomorrow, and it is those changes that are significant in naming a new time period.

So there is nothing particularly "arrogant" about confirming such a designation; it is simple acknowledgement of the havoc we have bestowed upon our little home.
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Unread postby SoylentGreen » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 04:15:31

the world order knows the future and has tried to make genocide more difficult with mass immigration of races from all parts of the world into the western world.
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