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'Sustainable development': Freedom's foe

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 12 May 2008, 07:38:19

TonyPrep and I were discussing sustainability in another thread. I thought I would introduce it here as a new topic of discussion. Please feel free to discuss any aspect of this issue. I actually thought that this was the desirable goal of our post-petroleum society. But this article sheds quite a different light on the matter.

'Sustainable development': Freedom's foe

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')dd the word "sustainable" to almost any project, and immediately the project becomes politically correct and therefore acceptable. The surge of "sustainability" or "sustainable development" in recent years is phenomenal. Americans have been awed by the sales pitch and have bought into the idea of "sustainable development" – without looking under the hood to examine the engine. Nor have Americans realized that "sustainable development" is a self-directing vehicle that is transforming a once-free society into "sustainable communities" where nearly every human activity requires the permission of government.

The principle of private property rights is an early victim. Private property rights cannot exist in a sustainable community. In a sustainable community, a property owner's rights are limited to whatever government decides is appropriate.


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Re: 'Sustainable development': Freedom's foe

Unread postby highlander » Mon 12 May 2008, 10:33:44

It smells like sustainable "business as usual"
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Re: 'Sustainable development': Freedom's foe

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:12:04

I don't see why we can't have a sustainable agrarian community, with individual property rights maintained. This was the vision Thomas Jefferson had, a nation of independent farmers.
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Re: 'Sustainable development': Freedom's foe

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:15:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'I') don't see why we can't have a sustainable agrarian community, with individual property rights maintained. This was the vision Thomas Jefferson had, a nation of independent farmers.


Yeah, I'm not really seeing the problem.
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Re: 'Sustainable development': Freedom's foe

Unread postby MrBean » Mon 12 May 2008, 19:02:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'I') don't see why we can't have a sustainable agrarian community, with individual property rights maintained. This was the vision Thomas Jefferson had, a nation of independent farmers.


There cannot be independent (ie self sustaining / permaculture) farmer individuals. But there can be independent farming communities - a family as the minimum community, but a single family has of course very low survivability. It does take a village and not only a village but a village of people who share. Not only with each other but even more importantly with nature.

And if there is a village - or rather a group of individuals - who don't share and adhere to permaculture or natural farming (google Fukuoka) which lets nature do the job naturally with only minimal human interference, but to "civilized" farming, sooner or later they use up the natural fertility of their soil and become a problem for other villages, trying to start up a new civilization of elite's hierarchic power, centralism and militarism and all that growth ideology that has a shitty end.
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Re: 'Sustainable development': Freedom's foe

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 12 May 2008, 20:39:12

The quote in the OP is bullshit, it has false assumptions and is written in a closed-minded way. Nothing to see here, move...
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Re: 'Sustainable development': Freedom's foe

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 12 May 2008, 21:40:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he principle of private property rights is an early victim. Private property rights cannot exist in a sustainable community. In a sustainable community, a property owner's rights are limited to whatever government decides is appropriate.


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