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Energy Plan Coming from US Chamber of Commerce

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 06 May 2008, 17:42:29

It's so gosh darn easy...

Hint :$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ver the years, Congress has locked away vast untapped domestic energy resources offshore, on federal lands, and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's time to unlock America's natural energy resources. It's time to give our citizens a real energy plan that will deliver real results. It's time to take control of our energy future.


They formed the Institute for 21st Century Energy to develop the plan

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Institute, in affiliation with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, was created to lead the necessary effort to educate the public on America's energy needs and help create forward-looking policies to increase and diversify the nation's supply of fuel and power from all sources.

We are non-partisan and an advocate for what is best for our nation. Energy is a vital national security issue and, therefore, we must put our nation's interests first and foremost. The Institute is committed to working with all energy-related organizations, including environmental groups, to achieve a broad-based consensus on a national energy policy.


Despite their implied assumption about the feasibility of recovering the "vast reserves" located in the US, I'll wait to see their plan before judging.
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Re: Energy Plan Coming from US Chamber of Commerce

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 06 May 2008, 18:29:23

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')We are non-partisan and an advocate for what is best for [s]our nation[/s] Business.
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Re: Energy Plan Coming from US Chamber of Commerce

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 06 May 2008, 18:57:07

Right on schedual, the enviro-activist set should have listened when some of us said better to drill everywhere with environmental controlls in place than to delay delay delay and have the drilling happen with no environmental concerns taken into account.

Envinmentalism/green movement as practiced in the west has been an artifact of cheap oil, take away the cheap oil and people except for the few true beleivers will demand extraction no matter what the environmental costs.
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Re: Energy Plan Coming from US Chamber of Commerce

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 06 May 2008, 19:19:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'R')ight on schedual, the enviro-activist set should have listened when some of us said better to drill everywhere with environmental controlls in place than to delay delay delay and have the drilling happen with no environmental concerns taken into account.

Envinmentalism/green movement as practiced in the west has been an artifact of cheap oil, take away the cheap oil and people except for the few true beleivers will demand extraction no matter what the environmental costs.


I'm afraid you may be correct. BTW, where does one pick up the peak oil schedule ? I get asked about that all the time.

Ludi, what's good for GM is good for America - get with the program ! :razz:
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Re: Energy Plan Coming from US Chamber of Commerce

Unread postby Kristen » Tue 06 May 2008, 19:44:20

The purpose of it is to keep people calm. No need to kill someone for a little debbie quite yet.
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Re: Energy Plan Coming from US Chamber of Commerce

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 06 May 2008, 20:07:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'R')ight on schedual, the enviro-activist set should have listened when some of us said better to drill everywhere with environmental controlls in place than to delay delay delay and have the drilling happen with no environmental concerns taken into account.

Envinmentalism/green movement as practiced in the west has been an artifact of cheap oil, take away the cheap oil and people except for the few true beleivers will demand extraction no matter what the environmental costs.


I'm afraid you may be correct. BTW, where does one pick up the peak oil schedule ? I get asked about that all the time.


Well the set goes something like this. Oil plateau's with minor peaks and valleys for at most a few years, demand continues to grow. Prices escalate until supply meets demand (lower bidders shut out). Escalating prices make voters angry. Angry voters make polliticians nervous. Nervous polliticians start throwing constituency groups under the bus to save their cushy pollitical jobs. For the right this means blame the Enviro's, for the left this mean blame the oil companies. Voters at some point realize without oil companies there is no gas for soccor mom's SUV and soccor dad's Supercab pick-up. All attention turns to getting more oil at any cost, Enviro's held to blame by both right and left Polliticians to appease angry voters. Last great oil rush in the USA comences as drilling everywhere begins in ernest.

I can't give you dates for when exactly each stage takes place, but I do know I am increasingly hearing words to the effect $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')crew the Caribou! DRILL ALASKA!
from both neighbors and coworkers, and I have heard it on the radio scanning channels as well. People are both ignorant and angry, which is a bad combination, and nobody wants to hear the party is over because of geology. If the Dems win both Congress and the White House this fall expect early on to see sanctions against oil companies for 'excessive profits' and 'gouging at the pump'. When that happens the "BIG OIL" companies will all go into full bore public relations blitz about how it isn't their fault, they were not allowed to get the oil the voters want. Public pressure will quickly swamp the Dems and they will be forced to relent, possibly allowing drilling in ANWR and off the East and West coasts of North America. If the Reps win both expect EPA regs to be re-written and a massive new drilling program to commence. Also expect the Dept of the Interior to reissue outer continental shelf leases for at least Georgia, SOuth Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia where limited exploration has already been done.

So the schedual as I see it, unless something happens sooner, 2009 will be the year the Enviro's lose their seat at the Democrat party table and get thrown out of the Big Tent.
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Re: Energy Plan Coming from US Chamber of Commerce

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 06 May 2008, 21:46:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'S')crew the Caribou! DRILL ALASKA!


Unlike the idiots in the lower 48, Alaskans are happy to live next to wildlife without having to destroy it. The wildlife is the reason many people live in Alaska.

People in the lower 48 have bizarre fantasies about alaska. Believe it or not, you don't have to "screw caribou" to drill oil wells on the North Slope.

Despite the dire predictions of the environmentalists in the lower 48, the Caribou herd in the Prudhoe Bay area has TRIPLED in size AFTER the oil field was established in 1975. The herd remains large and healthy today, something that is totally unimaginable to the hordes who live in the lower 48 and apparently can't survive without exterminating all wildlife and having box stores and McDonald's everywhere. :)
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Re: Energy Plan Coming from US Chamber of Commerce

Unread postby Revi » Tue 06 May 2008, 22:43:08

I see ANWR as the last few quarters in the couch cushions. We shouldn't drill there until we've run out of any other options. Remember the teapot dome scandal? That was a strategic petroleum reserve. They pumped it dry.

I am afraid that I agree that ignorant and angry people will demand that we break open the last piggy bank so that they can keep their escalades running.

Why not insulate every house first, shrink our cars, curtail driving and save fuel for forestry, fishing and agriculture? It makes too much sense. We'd rather blame the Enviro's than do something about the situation. We need a scapegoat.
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