[PenultimateManStanding]

The story goes that when the Romans left and said "defend yourselves" in 410 AD, that England was invaded by Anglo Saxons from northern Europe. Recent sophisticated massive archeology shows that England was not invaded by Anglo Saxons. Linguistic evidence shows that Celtic speaking British natives adopted Northern European fashions and language. The time had come for Northern Europe to assert itself and the Eastern Brits were right on board. The so called Dark Ages were nothing of the kind in that country. Pollen evidence shows that the land did not become forested in a great collapse. They kept right on farming. Meanwhile, Western England kept up the old Classical Tradition and had ties with Constantinople. History is not what is written in books it seems.

[Novus]

Well if you ask any Briton what happened after the Romans left they will tell you the tale of King Arther and Camelot. Most historians will tell you it never existed because no written records survive from that period nor is there any archaeological evidence but that doesn't mean it never happened. If History is not what is written in books then maybe we are just reading the wrong books.

[Schadenfreude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he story goes that when the Romans left and said "defend yourselves" in 410 AD, that England was invaded by Anglo Saxons from northern Europe. Recent sophisticated massive archeology shows that England was not invaded by Anglo Saxons. Linguistic evidence shows that Celtic speaking British natives adopted Northern European fashions and language. The time had come for Northern Europe to assert itself and the Eastern Brits were right on board. The so called Dark Ages were nothing of the kind in that country. Pollen evidence shows that the land did not become forested in a great collapse. They kept right on farming. Meanwhile, Western England kept up the old Classical Tradition and had ties with Constantinople. History is not what is written in books it seems.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schadenfreude', '
')It's pretty well-established that England suffered a quite number of invasions from different Norse and Germanic tribes over periods of centuries, some large, some smaller.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')The so called Dark Ages were nothing of the kind in that country. Pollen evidence shows that the land did not become forested in a great collapse. They kept right on farming. Meanwhile, Western England kept up the old Classical Tradition and had ties with Constantinople. History is not what is written in books it seems.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schadenfreude', 'O')ne gets the impression from reading early British history, that Norse and Germanic peoples were more dynamic, more innovative, more war-like and more acquisitive in general; and peoples native to the Isles were more peaceful and less able to withstand the numerous onslaughts from the Continent. They always seemed to become "ripe for the taking".

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')ell if you ask any Briton what happened after the Romans left they will tell you the tale of King Arther and Camelot.

[PenultimateManStanding]

The hypothesis that Old English is a language that arose in a population of native Celt speakers who adopted Continental cultural influences, including language, voluntarily is gaining ground. There is conclusive new archaeological evidence that shows that southwest England was farmed continuously by native Britons from the Bronze Age until the 8th century.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')The period in question is from AD 410 to 597 for which the written record is blank.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he hypothesis that Old English is a language that arose in a population of native Celt speakers who adopted Continental cultural influences, including language, voluntarily is gaining ground. There is conclusive new archaeological evidence that shows that southwest England was farmed continuously by native Britons from the Bronze Age until the 8th century.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I watched Dr. Francis Pryor in one of those Time Team documentaries you mentioned, dolormin. He presented quite a bit of fascinating evidence and research about this issue. Thesis: there never was an Anglo Saxon invasion. Roman, Viking and Norman, yes, but no Anglo Saxon invasion. Looks pretty convincing to me.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') watched Dr. Francis Pryor in one of those Time Team documentaries you mentioned, dolormin. He presented quite a bit of fascinating evidence and research about this issue. Thesis: there never was an Anglo Saxon invasion. Roman, Viking and Norman, yes, but no Anglo Saxon invasion. Looks pretty convincing to me.