[qualia787]

So how bad is it going to get this year?

Is 2008 the beginning of the end as far as we know it?

I've been reading about peak oil since early 2006 and have had a long time to think about things.. As far as actually preparing is now a opportune time to stock up on MRE's, survival kits, weapons, water, med kits, comms, etc etc??

Lot of people on PO even last year thought it was going to be a slow decline, but looks like domino effect/ chain reaction / uncontrolled cascade / supernova is more likely how its all going go down to the bottom of the Atlantic or kick back to the stone age.

So when it really happens for good it could be in a matter of weeks or months, not years or decades.

I see the bigger picture, but question is how do we know? When wil The shit really hit the fan and how fast?? Should I worry about 2008 or is it going to ride out okay this year? After all lots of people on here predicted a depression in 2007 and it ended up more or less the same... It seems like no one really knows anything for sure, not even the elite and the puppetmasters themselves can guarantee anything (even to themselves..)

Doom is fun in theory, now that it is beginning to happen for real it is a bit scary.. Lots of people are going to commit suicide, crime will skyrocket, people will act like animals, war disease murder rape torture robbery ... all the sadistic cruel ruthless things will be pushed to the forefront, it is like a American Nightmare gone bad

No one told me waking up was going to be this unpleasant!!

[edit - topic moved to open discussion - markl]

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qualia787', 'p')eople will act like animals, war disease murder rape torture robbery ...

[Ebyss]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qualia787', 'p')eople will act like animals, war disease murder rape torture robbery ...

[Ludi]

Idiots and freeloaders tend to be lazy. Pillaging might just be too darn hard.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qualia787', 'S')o how bad is it going to get this year?

[Ebyss]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')diots and freeloaders tend to be lazy. Pillaging might just be too darn hard.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')diots and freeloaders tend to be lazy. Pillaging might just be too darn hard.

[americandream]

The driving factor in the current unwinding is the significant loss of trust. A system of capital growth that to a large extent was dependant on a trust of the experts (the asset managers, the risk assessors and the system pundits) cannot effectively function without that trust maintaining its full integrity.

Anything less will lead to a dysfunctional system, and that coupled with issues of resource depletion leads to a less than transparent system and inefficiencies in the way capital is utilised, namely reduced growth and growth expectations.

Reduced growth, reduced growth expectations, and a gradual winding down of the system precede the two juggernauts of resource depletion and capital inefficiency colliding at a point on the graph.

It's at that point that the Marxist notion of dialectic change comes into play.

[Cloud9]

I think America preferrs national socialism to communism. The national socialists are better dressed.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I') think America preferrs national socialism to communism. The national socialists are better dressed.

[Revi]

Change is coming. It could lead to improvements. We might figure out ways of living that don't require as much fossil fuel.

It takes a crisis to get people moving in that direction.

I think that 2009 is when the real problems start. We are going to have a rough winter next year, and then we'll have some difficult times, but the lid doesn't fly off until next year.

That's just my estimation. 2009 is when we fall off the plateau and oil production starts to slip. That's when the average guy can't afford to heat his house or drive around at all.

Joe Sixpack will have to drive something way smaller, if he can drive at all. We'll have to heat just a few rooms, and let the rest be cold all winter.

We may have to cut back on electricity use or get smart and change things so that we are using a lot less.

The party's over in 2009. We're just feeling it start to wind down now. It is going to get far worse.

[Cloud9]

Yes, but somehow we never get to the withering away of the state part. We always seem to get stuck in the dictatorship of the proletariat part. Either way if you don’t fit into the dynamic, you wind up kneeling down in front of a ditch with a gun to the back of your head. It matters little if the gun is a 9mm or a 7.62.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'Y')es, but somehow we never get to the withering away of the state part. We always seem to get stuck in the dictatorship of the proletariat part. Either way if you don’t fit into the dynamic, you wind up kneeling down in front of a ditch with a gun to the back of your head. It matters little if the gun is a 9mm or a 7.62.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'Y')es, but somehow we never get to the withering away of the state part. We always seem to get stuck in the dictatorship of the proletariat part. Either way if you don’t fit into the dynamic, you wind up kneeling down in front of a ditch with a gun to the back of your head. It matters little if the gun is a 9mm or a 7.62.

[ChefBoyardee]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qualia787', 'S')o how bad is it going to get this year?

Is 2008 the beginning of the end as far as we know it?

[FreakOil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ebyss', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')diots and freeloaders tend to be lazy. Pillaging might just be too darn hard.

[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')diots and freeloaders tend to be lazy. Pillaging might just be too darn hard.

[alokin]

I always ask the same questions, knowing that it is not possible looking into the future, with or without crystal ball.

I always thought that it is uncertain, when we're slipping off the plateau, why Revie, are you sure this will happen next year? What about all the Mega projects coming online, weren't they meant to delay the decline?

Here in Australia things are still OK, food prices rise but not that much. We suffer because of the rise of mortgages (but that's not comparable what the US face)

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'I') always ask the same questions, knowing that it is not possible looking into the future, with or without crystal ball.

I always thought that it is uncertain, when we're slipping off the plateau, why Revie, are you sure this will happen next year? What about all the Mega projects coming online, weren't they meant to delay the decline?

Here in Australia things are still OK, food prices rise but not that much. We suffer because of the rise of mortgages (but that's not comparable what the US face)

[tecumseh]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ebyss', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')diots and freeloaders tend to be lazy. Pillaging might just be too darn hard.