[roccman]

There are two posters I know of on this forum that have said what is happening in Gaza is not genocide...

To keep this thread from going to the HOF (initially) I will not mention their names...

What say you...??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7208252.stm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')alestinians have used a bulldozer to make a new hole in the border wall between Gaza and Egypt, allowing scores of people to pass through.

[lionstone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TocjkugWEEc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01hqVzViFTw

[greenworm]

It is only genocide when you are on the losing team, unfortunate, but true.

[Aaron]

[BigTex]

If all Muslims are brothers, why is there a wall between Gaza and Egypt?

Israel stole their country from the Palestinians just like we stole ours from the Indians. They weren't making the best use of it anyway, right?

The problem now is there are a whole bunch of pissed off Muslims, as opposed to a fairly small and pitiful remaining group of native Americans.

Genocide? Depends on which side you're on. One man's genocide is another man's "target rich environment."

The whole Israel story is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know why we don't just cut out an Israel-shaped piece of desert in Utah and give it to the Jewish people and re-settle the entire nation away from all of the people who hate them (sort of like a large-scale "Truman Show" kind of set up). In theory, the Mormons and the Jews should get along great, since they are both God's chosen people.

But you know how that stuff goes down, pretty soon the Mormons and the Jews would be fighting and Salt Lake City would be the new West Bank and renegade Mormons would be firing rockets into Utah from Idaho.

[Cloud9]

I guess it depends on whether the Egytians start shooting.

[Cloud9]

I understand. For Gaza to be like the Warsa Ghetto, the Jews would have to build a wall that surrounds Gaza. Then when they closed off all shipments of food, medicine and fuel genocide would occur. As it is, Gaza shares a border with Egypt, a Muslim country. Why is there a wall between Gaza and Egypt? Why hasn't there always been a free flow of food, medical supplies and fuel between Gaza and Egypt?

[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I')srael stole their country from the Palestinians just like we stole ours from the Indians.

[smallpoxgirl]

I absolutely agree with Roccman. Isreal has become every bit the genocidal monster that Nazi Germany was. It's much the same phenomenon as abused children that grow up to become abusers.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NWMossBack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I')srael stole their country from the Palestinians just like we stole ours from the Indians.

[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')sreal has become every bit the genocidal monster that Nazi Germany was.

[Cloud9]

People tend to feel much more than they know. Smallpoxgirl is expressing a feeling.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', '[')b]So why is this not genocide?

First question in 4 years on PO I have NO answer for.
Speechless, no rants or raves.


namaste

[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')k, so we have 3 jews so far who voted NO-- you, nwmossback, who else? Zardoz are you there?

[Ferretlover]

This will probably be considered cold, but those countries and borders are a world away from me. I have no say over what happens there, nor legal or illegal border crossings which do not immediately affect me.
The only borders I care about, and, IMHO, am entitled to voice an opinion, are those of the US.
I do not wish to see anyone starve to death, but I am powerless to prevent die-offs anywhere.
This should be another warning to anyone who is not prepping for the not-to-distant future.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NWMossBack', 'V')ery possibly the most ignorant thing I have ever read on PO.com. You either know nothing about the history of Israel and Palestine, or nothing about Nazi Germany.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') absolutely agree with Roccman. Isreal has become every bit the genocidal monster that Nazi Germany was. It's much the same phenomenon as abused children that grow up to become abusers.

[Tyler_JC]

Israel doesn't control the border between Egypt and the Gaza Strip.

The genocide that Roccman is talking about (the walling up of the Egypt/Gaza border) is an EGYPTIAN problem.

The genocide is at the hands of the Egyptians.

Are the Israelis blameless for what they do with their side of the border? Of course not. But Hamas is a terrorist organization and according to Human Rights Watch, should be accountable for its war crimes. If Israel believes that a wall is necessary to protect its people from a hostile state, then they have every right to build the wall.

But don't blame Israel for a wall they didn't build (the Egypt/Gaza wall).

If Hamas had blown up a wall into Israel and Palestinians were flooding into Israel, we could talk about an Israeli-lead genocide. But in this instance, the story doesn't match the accusation.

As a side note, both Egypt and Israel can be committing genocide against the Palestinians but the current news story is not about Israel, it's about Egypt.

[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he stories they bring back are every bit as horrific as Shindler's List. A pretty good friend of mine held Rachel Corrie as she died after an Isreali bulldozer driver decided it would be cute to run over her for protesting their demolition of a Palestinian doctor's house. Do you have some specific information to put forward, or just a blanket accusation.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '[')u]Israel doesn't control the border between Egypt and the Gaza Strip.

The genocide that Roccman is talking about (the walling up of the Egypt/Gaza border) is an EGYPTIAN problem.

The genocide is at the hands of the Egyptians.