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THE Nobel Prizes and Winners Thread (merged)

Unread postby khebab » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 13:47:53

Some juicy quotes from Professor Edward Prescott:
About US budget deficit:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;The U.S. (current) account deficit, no problem. People that say there is (a problem) are ignorant, they do not understand something called balance sheet, present value, something that a good undergraduate (economics student) learns,"

About the world economic growth$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world economy is doing quite well. There is a steady growth," he said, adding that on a personal level he liked the dollar going down because "I get more out of the prize."

Too bad he did not talk about PO. but I would guess that its is no problem and that we are ignorant :) . CNN Money
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Unread postby khebab » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 14:19:48

Another quote:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')To you, what is the biggest challenges – the economical challenges – that we are facing in the world today?

– I look at the world as a whole. Things are going quite well. The rich countries are growing nicely – not spectacularly – but the great thing is that the less developed countries are catching up, and are becoming rich. The world is becoming economically integrated. And this has … You said, "what’s the biggest challenge," I guess is – keep the momentum going. Sustain these – I tend to think of them as cooperative international relationships, where countries enter into – or people in various countries enter into voluntary trades with people in other countries, where the technology is transferred between countries, where there’s a lot of insourcing as well as outsourcing. A lot of trade – I think that fosters economic efficiency.


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Unread postby Itch » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 14:45:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The U.S. (current) account deficit, no problem. People that say there is (a problem) are ignorant, they do not understand something called balance sheet, present value, something that a good undergraduate (economics student) learns,"


Could someone explain what the fuck this guy means? I don't know as much about economics as I'd like to, so I don't know what he means when says "balance sheet" and "present value." Does he know something we don't know?
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Unread postby marek » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 14:48:35

Here is a quote by Kenneth Boulding (another famous economist, maybe not a Nobel prize winner, but a much more rational guy)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nybody who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist
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Unread postby marek » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 14:54:42

Well, the balance sheet means that if there is a trade deficit, there has to be a capital surplus. And that is true, the Chinese with whom we have a deficit are pumping huge amounts of dollars into the U.S. economy to invest them in Treasury bonds. When the capital inflow is reduced, the dollar will collapse and that should reduce imports. The problem is that the U.S. doesn't produce many goods anymore, so even a large depreciation might not be enough (I bought myself a HP laptop a couple of months ago, and it was made in China for God's sake). So a plummeting dollar that does not translate into reduced imports will not clear the market as this textbook example offered by Dr. Prescott was supposed to suggest.
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Economists

Unread postby Clouseau2 » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 15:19:32

The best description of an economist I've read so far is "an economist is a man who happily jumps out of an airplane without a parachute because he knows someone will be there to sell him one before he hits the ground"

Where else can you get a job where you are wrong 50% of the time and still employed?

Economists ruin the planet by making everyone believe exponential growth can continue indefinitely and the only resource that matters is money.
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Unread postby marek » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 15:28:52

Herbert Stein (Nixon's Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers): $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f something's unsustainable, it tends to stop
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Re: Economists

Unread postby khebab » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 15:34:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Clouseau2', 'T')he best description of an economist I've read so far is "an economist is a man who happily jumps out of an airplane without a parachute because he knows someone will be there to sell him one before he hits the ground"

Where else can you get a job where you are wrong 50% of the time and still employed?

Economists ruin the planet by making everyone believe exponential growth can continue indefinitely and the only resource that matters is money.

Well, not according to this guy:

[quote]“This is the golden age of economics,â€
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Unread postby marek » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 16:00:27

If you'd like to read a great rebuttal of neoclassical economics (written by an economist) I suggest Debunking Economics: The Naked Emperor of the Social Sciences by Steve Keen. Also, there is a great article, entitled Why I am No Longer a Positivist by Deirdre McCloskey (Review of Social Economy, Issue 3, Vol. 47).
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Unread postby 0mar » Wed 08 Dec 2004, 19:51:01

i love Boulding, so much so that he is my sig ^^
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Unread postby savethehumans » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 04:00:53

Three things are certain:

1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Finding some "expert" who will tell you what you want to hear.
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Nobel Winner Discusses Potential Solutions

Unread postby BiGG » Fri 20 May 2005, 16:58:49

May 20, 2005 Nobel laureate discusses potential solutions for energy crisis

Today, the world relies on gas and oil to run its cities and transportation systems. But tomorrow, with the advancements in current research, society could turn to the land it walks on for its energy source.

According to Steven Chu, a Nobel laureate and director of the UC-managed Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, it might be possible one day to grow plants that would provide viable energy for human consumption. This is one resource that humans may turn to temporarily in the future as oil supplies become increasingly scarce.
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Re: Nobel Winner Discusses Potential Solutions

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 20 May 2005, 17:15:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')it might be possible one day to grow plants that would provide viable energy for human consumption


We do this now on my planet. We call it farming.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is one resource that humans may turn to temporarily in the future as oil supplies become increasingly scarce.


"temporarily" is the operative word here.
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Re: Nobel Winner Discusses Potential Solutions

Unread postby Nano » Fri 20 May 2005, 19:12:16

What I'd like to know is how you can use plants to provide fuel without using fertilizer at the necessary scale? Or is the fertilizer question included in the EROEI equations?
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Re: Nobel Winner Discusses Potential Solutions

Unread postby BiGG » Fri 20 May 2005, 19:41:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'W')hat I'd like to know is how you can use plants to provide fuel without using fertilizer at the necessary scale? Or is the fertilizer question included in the EROEI equations?


Right now we grow corn/grain and make Ethanol out of it by using the starch only leaving the protein, minerals, fat and fiber which is concentrated during the production process to produce a highly valued and nutritious livestock feed called Distillers Dried Grains with Solubles (DDGS).

Besides animal feed and its many other uses like making corn oil, DDGS can be used for great natural Fertilizer along with the corn/grain fields growing a second “cover” crop like winter wheat every year that can be utilized or plowed under for additional fertilizer. My neighbor is a top scientist in organic farming and from what he says we will not be using artificial fertilizers much longer as organic crop is showing larger yields then the ones using fertilizer!

Ethanol byproduct is also used for many other things and zero is wasted!
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Unread postby Nano » Sat 21 May 2005, 07:18:20

Interesting, so the limiting factor here is really only the available arable land and the energy capturing efficiency of the plants. Still, it leaves the world with much less energy than during the good ol' cheap oil days... Too much less to provide me with much comfort...
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Unread postby lorenzo » Sat 21 May 2005, 07:39:13

Nobel Laureates are often geniuses. Mr Chu just invented agriculture. Give him another Nobel now.
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Unread postby bobcousins » Sat 21 May 2005, 08:26:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'N')obel Laureates are often geniuses. Mr Chu just invented agriculture. Give him another Nobel now.


Yeah, unfortunately you can be a genius in one field and a complete novice in a another. Occasionally, a cross-discipline approach can yield some novel ideas, but more often it is just stating the obvious.
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Unread postby BiGG » Sat 21 May 2005, 09:04:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'I')nteresting, so the limiting factor here is really only the available arable land and the energy capturing efficiency of the plants. Still, it leaves the world with much less energy than during the good ol' cheap oil days... Too much less to provide me with much comfort...


According to Dr. Steven Chu ...............

“But carbon-neutral energy sources are achievable. A world population of 9 billion, the predicted peak in population, could be fed with less than one third of the planet”s cultivable land area. Some of the rest could be dedicated to growing crops for energy. But the majority of all plant matter is cellulose—a solid, low-grade fuel about as futuristic as burning wood. If scientists can convert cellulose into liquid fuels like ethanol, the world’s energy supply and storage problems could both be solved at a stroke.“
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Unread postby Nano » Sat 21 May 2005, 18:23:57

Yes but this *if* is the crucial factor. At the uni there's this guy working on an ultrasound system for the treatment of dried grasses. He says its the most efficient way to unlock the starch etc. I don't know. Such machines don't gush oil like a wellhead does. However efficient, it will require significant tonnage of apparatus. It certainly could be a bull-market.
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