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COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

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COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby roccman » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 13:21:58

"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby stu » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 13:29:15

Wow 8O

So let me get this straight. As soon as oil touches $100 then there is some sort of automatic financial trigger within certain companies to conclude that TSHHTF and to sell sell sell!!
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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby roccman » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 13:43:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'W')ow 8O

So let me get this straight. As soon as oil touches $100 then there is some sort of automatic financial trigger within certain companies to conclude that TSHHTF and to sell sell sell!!


Yeah - a similar condition exists on 9-11 each year.

The zombies head out to their garages in mass...behind the paint and gas cans...grab the balled up amerikan flag...shake it out a bit and hang it off the eaves of their garage right above the escalade.

Then they water their grass...grab a beer...scratch the lint from their ass crack...and head inside to watch some football.

Strange behavior we exhibit ...totally unexplainable.
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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby seahorse » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 14:43:35

Interestingly, and right on cue? Previously Bullish Goldman Sachs is recommending to take profits and sell oil.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')Time to take profits'
In a research note released Tuesday, Goldman Sachs analyst Jeffrey Currie wrote: "We are now more cautious on the near-term upside potential for oil prices, as we believe that the recent strong rally will likely bring forward the short-term rebalancing of the market that we expected for the first quarter of next year."
Goldman recommended closing long positions "from a profit-taking perspective than we are trying to call a peak."
Goldman also said it remains positive on oil from a longer-term perspective and views price dips as opportunities to re-establish long positions. At the same time, the brokerage expects crude prices to fall back to $80 a barrel by next April.


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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby jboogy » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 15:11:22

The underlying causes of the first credit crunch were not addressed, simply gussied up with some smooth talk from the talking heads and buried under a new layer of cash via a rate reduction. " Get your hot , fresh greenbacks here !, hot off the presses!"----Bernanke
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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 21:00:40

...after reading this I've a question: does capitalism implies a "bubble"-"correction" cycle or is it just in this type of capitalism?
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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 22:18:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '.')..after reading this I've a question: does capitalism implies a "bubble"-"correction" cycle or is it just in this type of capitalism?


IMO it is only because of mass markets that you can have bubble/crash capitalism. Starting way back in the 1600's with the Tulip Bulb crash and the printing presses that fueled the boom. Without mass media there is no mass rush to buy into the bubble, hence there is no crash when even media can no longer convince people to keep buying.
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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby truecougarblue » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 23:35:42

Crude oil will not cause the "next" credit crunch because we haven't even gotten started with the ill effects of the current one.

The next few months will be a peaking period in loan resets but they don't taper off until 2010-11. Until that time AT LEAST the loud sucking sound you hear will be liquidity draining from the system. Cash will be king again and Gold will be emperor.

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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 23:57:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('truecougarblue', 'C')rude oil will not cause the "next" credit crunch because we haven't even gotten started with the ill effects of the current one.

The next few months will be a peaking period in loan resets but they don't taper off until 2010-11. Until that time AT LEAST the loud sucking sound you hear will be liquidity draining from the system. Cash will be king again and Gold will be emperor.

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With a system low on cash, does that mean inflation or deflation ? Cutting off cash, via loans is what triggered the great depression.
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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby truecougarblue » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 22:21:35

System low on cash normally equals deflation. However, until demand destruction takes hold we'll probably continue to see inflation for the things we need whilst seeing huge discounts on luxury items.

There is still an argument to be made for inflation, even hyperinflation as the dollar loses it's status as a reserve currency. My gut tells me the euros and asiatic will not allow the dollar to fall much further. Thier own economies take a tremendous hit when things purchased in euro or yen or yuan become too expensive.

Beyond that point though is the continual pressure on the credit system. The US is a country of debtors, in the interest of maximizing return on investment we leverage using debt. When liquidity goes south it is all too easy to get upside down, be it in stocks, a home, or a small business. Illiquidity is only a small baby step from insolvency, and that's where I think we're at today.
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Re: COULD CRUDE OIL $100 CAUSE THE NEXT CREDIT CRUNCH?

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 13 Nov 2007, 17:45:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'W')ith a system low on cash, does that mean inflation or deflation? Cutting off cash, via loans is what triggered the great depression.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('truecougarblue', 'S')ystem low on cash normally equals deflation. However, until demand destruction takes hold we'll probably continue to see inflation for the things we need whilst seeing huge discounts on luxury items.


Is it a cop-out to say inflation, interrupted by a deflationary period in the medium term as the financial system implodes?

The short term is here, and it is inflationary. The long term will be too, because the things that matter every day - energy, food, water, will be in steadily diminishing supply with the same number of consumers competing for them, whatever we do to the medium of exchange in the meantime. A collapse of the financial system should be deflationary though, for the reason you give.

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