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The EU

Unread postby dukey » Fri 28 Sep 2007, 09:48:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Biblical tower of Babel was built in rebellion to God. Man like Lucifer wanting to be free of God and be like Him: "And they said, Come, let us build us a city, and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven, and let us make us a name; lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." (Gen 11:4) Rebellion effectively becomes "freedom"! Freedom as defined by F. Nietzsche's "God is dead" – long live the Human, is the mantra of European Voice! The consequences of this "freedom" is enormous and to oppose this, qualifies you to be extremist, fanatic, radical dogmatic, intolerant fascist.


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Re: The EU

Unread postby Bas » Fri 28 Sep 2007, 13:32:07

interesting, I never thought of the Strasbourg parliament building in relation to the tower of Bable. There is talk to abandon that parliament and hold sessions only in the Brussels parliament building, Strasbourg has always had a minor ,symbolic role compared to Brussels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament

Do you think this is "proof" of some mason conspiracy Dukey? We still don't have a common language....
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Unread postby dukey » Fri 28 Sep 2007, 14:24:14

masons or not i dont know
but it's pretty clear that it was modelled after the tower of babel.

There is more interesting stuff though.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Revelation 17 depicts a great harlot riding on a beast.


Sculpture outside the Council of Ministers Office in Brussels, Belgium
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he beast in Revelation 17 represents the world government and the great harlot is a global religion that will ride in on its back.


This symbolism literally pops up everywhere.

Time magazine on europe.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. ---Rev 17:1-6


Some german magazines ran articles on europe with these covers ..

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German ECU coins
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EU coins ..
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Notice the 6 stars 6 bars and 6 stars on the EU coins. They seem to love the 666 thing.

I am not especially religous .. but the symbolism is interesting. The woman, I think is meant to represent the antichrist. Why the EU would chose this to stick on all their coins etc, god only knows.

I'll leave you to figure it out.
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Re: The EU

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 28 Sep 2007, 14:36:17

I thought the beast was supposed to have seven heads and ten horns? Presumably at least one head has multiple horns? The guy with the stars is supposed to be someone completely different anyway.

Although Revelations 8:1 does prove that heaven has a unionised workforce too. They clocked off for a brew, innit?
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Re: The EU

Unread postby mercurygirl » Fri 28 Sep 2007, 14:59:34

See this: Europa

Where's Golem when we need him? :lol:

But seriously, that's quite a collection of images. Myth lives on.
I would think that it greatly predates the writing of Revelation, but maybe there's a connection.
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Re: The EU

Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 01:27:12

When John saw the visions in revelation and wrote them, he said, " 5 world powers have fallen ( asyria, greece, babylon, medo-persia, and dang, cant think of the 5th ), he also said one is ( rome, since that was his time period ), and he said one more will arrive ( anglo/american world power which is the US and great britain ). pretty interesting, he didnt mention any other world powers before the end times.
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Re: The EU

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 02:45:46

The pictures of a lady on a bull are based on Greek mythology and nothing to do with the book of revelations.

In Greek Mythology Zeus transformed himself into a bull to kidnap the lady Europa. 8)
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Re: The EU

Unread postby Harlequin » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 09:19:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'W')hen John saw the visions in revelation and wrote them, he said, " 5 world powers have fallen ( asyria, greece, babylon, medo-persia, and dang, cant think of the 5th ), he also said one is ( rome, since that was his time period ), and he said one more will arrive ( anglo/american world power which is the US and great britain ). pretty interesting, he didnt mention any other world powers before the end times.


I would point out that would be two great powers.

The British Empire, and then the American one, they are not nearly the same thing and must be considered separate as they had different cultures, aims, government and legal systems.

Also, what of the USSR? Was that not a world power?

Let us not forget the Mongols as well, despite being short-lived the are still credited with the largest land-empire the world has ever known and I highly doubt that in their time there was a nation that could have challenged them.

So John was wrong, because that is four.
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Re: The EU

Unread postby Bas » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 11:10:45

The French and the Spanish were both world powers, and I bet that John never heard of China which was certainly as power as Rome at the time that he lived, and it is again regaining that status. IMO that book of revelations is BS 8)
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Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 11:51:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'T')he French and the Spanish were both world powers, and I bet that John never heard of China which was certainly as power as Rome at the time that he lived, and it is again regaining that status. IMO that book of revelations is BS 8)


Britain defeated France and Spain and they became the true superpower and they controlled 2/3 of the population of that time. The US stemmed from them as John wrote there would be a small horn "US" that that would sprout from the the other horn , and he said this horn would have eyes and would dictate policy world wide. These eyes would act like a world police, just as the US does.

True , there were other major powers around the earth during these times, but John was talking about governments or superpowers that would directly affect God's people ( Jews back then and Christians now , since John was a Christian, and Paul converted from Judiasm to being a Christian ) . )
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Re: The EU

Unread postby Bas » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 12:32:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'T')he French and the Spanish were both world powers, and I bet that John never heard of China which was certainly as power as Rome at the time that he lived, and it is again regaining that status. IMO that book of revelations is BS 8)


Britain defeated France and Spain and they became the true superpower and they controlled 2/3 of the population of that time. The US stemmed from them as John wrote there would be a small horn "US" that that would sprout from the the other horn , and he said this horn would have eyes and would dictate policy world wide. These eyes would act like a world police, just as the US does.

True , there were other major powers around the earth during these times, but John was talking about governments or superpowers that would directly affect God's people ( Jews back then and Christians now , since John was a Christian, and Paul converted from Judiasm to being a Christian ) . )


France and Spain were the major powers during the times of reformation, persecuting "heretics", plus spain was "spreading" the faith among the indigenous population of the Americas. Can't really agree on England beating them either, though the advantage the England had on the seas ultimately led to the more dominant position of England. Spain, more than anything fell down through inflation, due to all the gold they got from the America's prices in spain went up sky high basically destroying their economy as more and more was imported; as a spaniard you could get more bang for your gold abroad. In France you had the French revolution ofcourse which culminated in the conquest of all of Europe, and this was at a time England only had footholds in India...after that the German unification and industrial revolution made it so powerful that soon enough the two 'old' dominant powers had to unite in an alliance to stay ahead of Germany. So I'd say the story of the European superpowers is very much a dynamic one through history, with positions of dominance always being relative and/or temporary.

But I guess if you take succesfully colonizing parts of the world as your defining characteristic for superpower, England takes the cake.
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 14:07:24

The Dutch also deserve some "credit" as world colonizers.

The Dutch fought off the Spanish in Europe, and also established a worldwide colonial empire, with colonies in North America (New Amsterdam/New York), the Caribbean, South America, South Africa, and the far east. The Dutch were initially highly successful at the world conquest game, but the Brits took their best colonies in America and South Africa away from them. The largest Dutch colony was in South Africa, and the million+ white Boers found in South Africa today are mainly descendants of the early Dutch settlers in this African Dutch colony..
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Re: The EU

Unread postby Bas » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 14:38:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Dutch also deserve some "credit" as world colonizers.



And so do the portuegese ofcourse with small footholds in both India and China, possesions in Africa and the colonies of the Phillipines and Brazil. Both Portugal and Holland had a first mover advantage, but once France and England entered the game, the relative small size of both Holland and Portugal ensured that they would become only marginal players. Belgium, and unified Germany and Italy only started to play a role in the latter part of the 19th century when the "game" was almost over and never played much more then a mariginal role either in this.

Also Russia was ofcourse very important in colonizing strange lands, though they did it over land rather than over sea, all the way to Alaska, where you live, Plantagenet! Arguably they were the most succesfull too, as they grew from the small Moscow kingdom in the middle ages to what is still the biggest country in the world; it's the only European country that held onto it's territorial gains. (apart from the central asian countries ofcourse, which gained independence after the fall of the SU)

And this concludes our lesson on European colonization for today :)
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 30 Sep 2007, 15:15:12

Two Asian countries also got into the "conquest and colony" game. The Japanese invaded Korea, Taiwan, and China prior to WWII, and then briefly spread the Japanese empire across Asia before the US defeated them in WWII. The other Asian colonizer would be China, which invaded Tibet in the middle of the 20th century. Today, the Chinese are still in Tibet. They currently are encouraging the movement and settlement of ethnic Han Chinese in Lhasa and other areas of Tibet to administer and consolidate their control over this wonderfully exotic country. :cry:
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Re: The EU

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 01 Oct 2007, 17:08:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '(')...)
I am not especially religous .. but the symbolism is interesting. The woman, I think is meant to represent the antichrist. Why the EU would chose this to stick on all their coins etc, god only knows.

I'll leave you to figure it out.


Maybe it's a way of saying STFU to the Church that had shoved through their throats a religion that is BS.
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