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US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Bas » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 20:48:46

Another treaty the US refuses to sign:

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Mine ban treaty/wiki

Discuss.
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 20:54:11

The United States refuses to sign the treaty because it does not offer a "Korean exception", as landmines are said to be a crucial component of the U.S. military strategy in South Korea. According to the US government, the one million mines along the DMZ between North and South help maintain the delicate peace by deterring a North Korean attack.

--from Wikipedia
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Bas » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 20:58:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he United States refuses to sign the treaty because it does not offer a "Korean exception", as landmines are said to be a crucial component of the U.S. military strategy in South Korea. According to the US government, the one million mines along the DMZ between North and South help maintain the delicate peace by deterring a North Korean attack.

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and in the meanwhile the US is still the biggest producer of said mines that kills and injures 10's of thousands of civilians every year.l
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Jack » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:00:31

Mines are useful and effective weapons. They do an excellent job of securing an area, as well as denying an area to an opposing force.

Signing such a treaty would be inane. And as long as people have cash to buy them, why not make a nice profit selling them?

The Claymore - it's a beautiful thing! 8)
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Bas » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:03:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'M')ines are useful and effective weapons. They do an excellent job of securing an area, as well as denying an area to an opposing force.

Signing such a treaty would be inane. And as long as people have cash to buy them, why not make a nice profit selling them?

The Claymore - it's a beautiful thing! 8)


yeah I know you're being ironic Jack, but just look at Africa and S America there.
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:03:39

Outlawing the use of mines would be a great idea.

The most murderous and lethal use of mines in the world today occurs in Iraq where the insurgents use IEDs to target Iraqi government and US and British forces, and inadvertantly kill many civilians who set off the mines.

IEDs are now starting to be used against NATO forces in Afghanistan.

IEDs are mines.

Given the success the insurgents have had with the mines, chances are the use of mines will grow.

Hizbullah has extensively mined their land. The UN sufferred casualties a few weeks ago in Lebanon when a UN car hit a mine.

Is there any attempt being made to get the insurgents in Iraq or the Taliban in Afghanistan or Hizbullah in Lebanon to sign this treaty and stop their use of mines?
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personnel mine treaty

Unread postby Jack » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:09:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '
') but just look at Africa and S America there.


My point exactly.

The poorest countries have signed the treaty.

Fast-growing countries on track to become wealthy have not.

Coincidence? I think not!

If poor countries ever want to gain prosperity, they must embrace (no, not literally) land mines! 8)
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:10:44

Good news, Jack.

Claymore mines are still OK under the anti-mine treaty.

"The treaty does not include anti-tank mines, cluster bombs or claymore-type mines operated in command mode and focuses specifically on anti-personnel mines, because these pose the greatest long term (post-conflict) risk to humans and animals since they are typically designed to be triggered by any movement or pressure of only a few kilograms, whereas anti-tank mines require much more weight (or a combination of factors that would exclude humans)." 8)
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:12:02

The Claymore's not designed to blow children's legs off though. The mines in question are.
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Bas » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:13:13

funnily enough, Afghanistan is bound by this treaty. The next step would be clusterbombs.
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personnel mine treaty

Unread postby Jack » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:18:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')he Claymore's not designed to blow children's legs off though. The mines in question are.


You've got to learn to look on the brighter side of life. Find the positive!

Just think - those children won't run away from home! They won't run in front of cars. And there won't be any more confusion about which pair of shoes to buy.

See how easy that was?

8)
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personnel mine treaty

Unread postby Bas » Sat 21 Jul 2007, 21:23:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '
')You've got to learn to look on the brighter side of life. Find the positive!

Just think - those children won't run away from home! They won't run in front of cars. And there won't be any more confusion about which pair of shoes to buy.

See how easy that was?

8)


your sense of irony won't save you from reality this time, Jack.
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Re: US refuses to sign anti-personell mine treaty

Unread postby Twilight » Sun 22 Jul 2007, 09:00:30

Interesting how most of the countries which have signed have been on the receiving end, and many of those which haven't are paranoid and have long land borders to secure. Self-interest at its best.
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