[128shot]

Given that this board has attracted many of the racist types (mostly Nazi or white nationalist types) I couldn't help but wonder why do these kind of people taken to this issue?

Do they think it'll cleanse the races?





Do note: I do not condone racism or any of this white nationalist BS. Its just something I've noticed since I've been here is that Peakoil.com attracts many from the racist extreme crowds.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'G')iven that this board has attracted many of the racist types (mostly Nazi or white nationalist types) I couldn't help but wonder why do these kind of people taken to this issue?

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'G')iven that this board has attracted many of the racist types (mostly Nazi or white nationalist types) I couldn't help but wonder why do these kind of people taken to this issue?

[dukey]

i'm not racist
i just hate niggers, coons, nips, pikeys, pakis, gringos, gooks, chinks etc

(tis a joke obviously. i'm not really racist)

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', '
')I think refereing to the holocaust as the holohoax might be considered a tad racist...

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', '
')I think refereing to the holocaust as the holohoax might be considered a tad racist...

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'D')amn, never thought such an honest and general question would be met with such resistance.....curiosity does kill the cat doesn't it..

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'D')amn, never thought such an honest and general question would be met with such resistance.....curiosity does kill the cat doesn't it..

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', '
')I was just more interested in how it penetrated into the White Nationalist community, since they tend not to be concerned with nothing else but the "survival of the white race"

Then again, I may be just as guilty as them in stereotyping them like that......

[Eli]

Well, I do not think PO attracts more than its fair share of Neo-Nazis.

There are maybe a couple of them on here.

I think there are some posts where people discuss things frankly and openly but I do not see too many calling for the white race to take over.

[I_Like_Plants]

I think they do think it will be some sort of chance for racial cleansing. Unless they hold all the cards somehow I think they will be surprised.

I think they honestly think white = good, rather than people = people.

Nazism is at heart an anti-modern belief system. Google around for the roots of Nazism and the ecology movement, ecofascism, etc. Interesting and enlightening.

Being sick of the modern rat-race is normal and healthy. Some want to move to a small Mexican village, some want to wipe out all Mexicans and set up a little Bavarian village..... Nazis need to understand that the desire to get out of the rat-race and live closer to people and nature and have a feeling of kinship and tribe is normal and healthy, wanting to pinch down the gene pool to one group may not be healthy given the hard times we may have coming - we may need a little diversity.

And, let's say Hitler was successful, and wiped out all the "Untermenschen", then what next? Well, some people like Italians and Balts were allowed into the Nazi club, even into the SS. But now there's no one else left to kill, wait, maybe we made some mistakes, there's inpurity in the ranks! And so on.... Until the whole foolish ideology burns itself out.

[gampy]

That's a good question.

I have an inkling that people who would consider themselves the"survivalist" type (although they do not use that word) tend to be bigots.

Key word...TEND.

Not trying to paint the bunker types with the same brush, but many of them ( I have read quite a few posts here) have some pretty narrow minds.

Which actually can be a blessing in a post apocalyptic world. Bigots stick together and look out for one another, tend to the religious side (which helps foster self policing of societal norms, which save lives in this type of scenario), and prefer tight-knit communities, and are somewhat self reliant, with few expensive, consumerist tastes
(except pick-up trucks, and guns.)

Just an observation, really.

If the shit hits the fans, the racist, white supremacists could be your friend. As long as you are white, straight, and God fearing, of course.

Otherwise, I plan to give those folks a wide berth when the Four Horsemen appear on the horizon.

As well as the hippies and proto-marxists.

[Alcassin]

AFAIK the Neo-Nazis and most of extreme right shifted their views and fucused on ecology and environment matter some time ago. Why? Here is an example:

"When people attempt to rebel against the iron logic of nature, they come into conflict with the very same principles to which they owe their existence as human beings. Their actions against nature must lead to their own downfall."
(A.Hitler "Mein Kampf")

Here is more of this nazi-crap but on left side of this site you will see somehow familiar links

Well, III Reich embraced the ideas of enviromentalism in it's quasifeudal vision. So they are attracted to say - "See Fuhrer was right" - The huge city concept and culture of utilitarism were against "iron logic of nature" and the nature takes revenge. They quite often refer to earth cult - see: paganism, occultism and so on. Peak Oil seems for them to be appealing to put their views on track.

That's why I really oppose to the neofeudalism structure in Post-Peak society, I think it will be a strong move towards fascism with almost all its consequences.

In the times of hard depression the last thing we can defend is our personal freedom. That's why I speak freedom and not liberty. Freedom is a concept within society - that you can do what you want unless you are harming somebody's else freedom. You extract freedoms from social structures (not only from government but family, community, and other institutional restrictions also).

Liberty is different - it's given to you as a right or a grant. Liberty is a philosophical concept, that you have right to do something because you're prilvileged. Liberty needs law to be applied it is often refered to so called Laws of Nature. Defining liberty is like making religious dogma - you take it for granted without social context - because it's said liberties does not contradict and are objective. So who defines what is liberty, and who defines catalogue of it?

Frankly, it depends on a school of philosophy, nevertheless liberties are common for all polical ideologies - it says "You have the right to..." even Stalin and Hitler supported liberties - you had some rights - to live, work and so on. Liberty can exist without freedoms. Liberties in other words are laws which allow you to do something, they granted to you by the same social structures you fight to obtain freedoms. Funny, isn't it?

Even those nazis are "libertarian"... gee...

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'A')FAIK the Neo-Nazis and most of extreme right etc etc etc...

[Novus]

There has been only one political party to actually talk about peak oil as part of their platform and that is the British National Party or BNP. They talk about all the things we talk about here including doomer porn die-offs. They are the only party to talk about the severity of British overshoot and only party to propose a solution: re-patriotion. Without re-patriotion the British Isles will descend into an Easter Island style nightmare.

So if you are even remotely aware of PO who would you listen to? The nationalists who speak in terms of sustainable national populations or the multi-culturalists who are telling you to move over and make room.

[entropyfails]

They are attracted to the idea of dieoff because it would get them a reason to choose who lives and dies. Ever since scientists have discovered a link between skin melanin production and the g factor, they have been pushing a new form of the old theories that will result in the same thing, a white world. (Well, white and yellow but they think whites will beat up the yellows.) Ironically, the modern racist loves the Jewish people as they have such a high g factor (the Ashkenazi Jews do anyway).

They come especially to PeakOil.com because it has such a liberal speech policy. Combine that with the vulnerability of someone told "the world will end", it probably makes for an effective recruitment vehicle.

[undertaker]

It's clear that I_Like_Plants never understood White nationalism.

I wouldn't call myself a "Neo-Nazi," but I am a White nationalist in the same way that members of La Raza (the race) are Raza Nationalists, and so on.

I noticed that every group besides Whites were allowed to participate in positive ethnic identification and advocate for thier ethnic interests; but for some strange reason, people of European descent were not allowed ethnic identification unless they were bashing their own kind or working against the interests of people of European descent.

I lived in Boston and learned about the bussing battle of 1974. The Boston Irish had their "turf" in South Boston and Charleston, just as the Jews have thier turf in Brookline, Blacks in Dorchester/Roxbury, Vietnamese have thier turf over in a town I forget the name but I remember "Little Vietnam" and I knew a Vietnamese and found out from asking him that Vietnamese have their Vietnamese-only day cares, schools, churches, and even blocks of apartment buildings!

So every race except Whites is allowed to have ethnic turf.

South Boston had forced bussing of Blacks into their schools, and they rioted. Unfortunately they lost to the heavy handed tactics of Judge Arthur Garrity and the haters of Whites in the gov't.

Also, I saw how Whites had to pay "full market rate rent" for apartments in Boston, and people of color were given "section 8" housing subsidies. I lived in "integrated" housing for a year, and my colored neighbors paid 400 a month rent, and I paid 1300 a month rent. They called me "rich boy" and vandalized my car and spat on the sidewalk right in front of me and my 3 year old daughter when we walked by. One week I had an earned vacation and I noticed that all my neighbors spent their days lollygagging at home. When they called me "rich," after that I said, "You're rich -- you don't have to work!" And I dubbed that area "ni$$erz in paradise." And in the Boston Globe they still published articles about the poor downtrodden colored people, and how Whites should feel so very guilty for their "white privilege" etc. What a joke!

I got out of the city, and I can't wait to see what happens when there's no more subsidized everything for these people. They are going to be pissed and I'm going to be laughing.

Also, expressing race realism can get you fired from your job nowadays. But when people have less to lose, they will be more free to express what they really believe. The growth economy keeps everyone "in line," so to speak. Peak Oil is going to be a new era of free speech!

[Grifter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '
')
They come especially to PeakOil.com because it has such a liberal speech policy. Combine that with the vulnerability of someone told "the world will end", it probably makes for an effective recruitment vehicle.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I remember the Holocaust thread, and most of the debate was spent on ascertaining the actual number of those murdered. Some thought the number was much lower than what was reported, though I don't recall anyone mentioning that the Holocaust was a "hoax."

[mekrob]

Another reason that they love PO so much is that it is a perfect reason to hate non-whites and non-Protestants (don't forget that they abhor Catholics). From their POV, it's all the brown people's fault for PO: Arabs, Chavez, Jews, Asians, etc. Arabs restrict access to our oil. Chavez and other hispanics the same. Jews control the media and then deny it to keep us in a state of shopping. Asians are gobbling up our oil, etc.