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What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby Kylon » Sat 16 Jun 2007, 12:32:36

This thread is a dedicated discussion to what methods might one use to become part of the future Upper Class, and how to stay within the future Upper Class.

What methods do you think will be needed to get into the Upper Class in the future, when TSHTF.

Also, what will be required you think to stay in the Upper Class?

I'm thinking that having large amounts of usable technology at one's disposal would greatly increase the ability to be part of the future Upper Class, especially technologies that would increase the food, water, and energy supply.

What do you think?
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Re: What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 16 Jun 2007, 14:31:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'T')his thread is a dedicated discussion to what methods might one use to become part of the future Upper Class, and how to stay within the future Upper Class.

What methods do you think will be needed to get into the Upper Class in the future, when TSHTF.

Once TSHTF it will be very difficult to get there, unless one is already prepared.
I would advice following:
1. No significant debt, comparing to ones assets value (say debt in range of few % of assets value is still OK).
2. Significant assets (something like $500 000 net value I would consider absolute minimum but with $1-2 millions one can feel more comfortable).
Property should account for not more than 75% of total value of assets.
3. Diversified income sources or wealth as above + secure job for government.
4. Supportive and wealthy family (not essential but helps very much).
5. Useful skills, not necessary high tech ones.

Do you qualify?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, what will be required you think to stay in the Upper Class?

As above + cooperation with rulers will do.
Loyalty is appreciated in feudal or quasi-feudal systems.
So dont grumble on Bush of the future...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m thinking that having large amounts of usable technology at one's disposal would greatly increase the ability to be part of the future Upper Class, especially technologies that would increase the food, water, and energy supply.

What do you think?

Ability to produce such devices within ones workshop would help much more. Ability to recycle postcivillization scrap into something useful would also help.
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Re: What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby manu » Sun 17 Jun 2007, 06:59:36

The inside of a banana stalk when dried can soak up nuclear waste. It would be useful to have a supply of this. Also you can take it internally.
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Re: What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 17 Jun 2007, 14:50:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', ' ')I'm thinking that having large amounts of usable technology at one's disposal would greatly increase the ability to be part of the future Upper Class, especially technologies that would increase the food, water, and energy supply.

What do you think?


I think we will be drowning in technology, but none of it will be usable without the energy to power it.

Technology does not create energy, nor water, nor food.

Usable knowledge would be a better investment.
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Re: What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby Nicholai » Sun 17 Jun 2007, 15:21:25

How will the Upper Classes, especially during times of economic crises, retain their wealth/private property? The possibility of civil unrest (both political and through the use of weapons) must always be considered. Energy producing technology such as solar panels, wind mills etc. all require maintenance (solar panels only last for roughly 25 years, as stated in 'Heat' by George Monbiot). Denmark currently produces 20% of its electricity from wind power and plans to increase this amount to 50% by 2025. I'm curious of Denmark's fate. Will the rest of Europe accept their energy shortfalls and sit through blackouts/brownouts while Denmark continues to hum along? From my perspective, I find Iceland to be the safest place to live. 70% of Iceland is powered by renewable energy. It is a country with a small population, geographically isolated and possesses an educated and industrialized populous. Would you recommend keeping hard currency or, for example, buying gold? Gold has historically been the 'currency of crisis'. Just curious. How about working for the CIA? This is what I hope to do in the future.
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Re: What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 17 Jun 2007, 15:33:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'D')enmark currently produces 20% of its electricity from wind power and plans to increase this amount to 50% by 2025. I'm curious of Denmark's fate. Will the rest of Europe accept their energy shortfalls and sit through blackouts/brownouts while Denmark continues to hum along?

At 50% of power dependant of wind Denmarks grid will become very unstable, with common blackouts.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom my perspective, I find Iceland to be the safest place to live. 70% of Iceland is powered by renewable energy. It is a country with a small population, geographically isolated and possesses an educated and industrialized populous.

Sounds like good target to invade...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ould you recommend keeping hard currency or, for example, buying gold? Gold has historically been the 'currency of crisis'. Just curious.

Buying gold in low profile manner.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow about working for the CIA? This is what I hope to do in the future.

Good idea.
However if CIA had red your post, you will be denied this job.
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Re: What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 17 Jun 2007, 23:58:27

50% wind power-

Most of the wind turbines are offshore where the wind is constantly blowing.

Also, it is possible to store electricity with hydrogen, water pump storage, or batteries.

If you have enough surplus electricity, you can do all kinds of neat things.

As for getting rich and staying rich, owning productive land is always a good thing.

Worst case scenario, you can live off the land.

Best case scenario, you can sell off the land for McMansion development.
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Re: What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 18 Jun 2007, 01:12:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '5')0% wind power-

Most of the wind turbines are offshore where the wind is constantly blowing.

...and if it blows too hard they must be shut down to prevent damage...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, it is possible to store electricity with hydrogen, water pump storage, or batteries.

Hydrogen - without fuel cells inefficient.
Water pump storage - in Denmark? what are you talking about? They would have to build hills and locate reservuars on the top...good luck.
Batteries - joke.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you have enough surplus electricity, you can do all kinds of neat things.

The best deal would be to sell excess.
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Re: What will be the methods of the future Upper Class?

Unread postby Pops » Mon 18 Jun 2007, 21:25:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'W')hat do you think?

Just as in the past:

Own land.

Be prepared to keep it.
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