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I need someone to talk to

Unread postby Drumgirl » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 20:14:35

This sounds pathetic, but it's true right now. I'm relatively young, sociable, have lots of friends, and yet have absolutely no one to talk to about peak oil.

I stumbled onto the subject about two months ago. Since then, I've researched it thoroughly and have realized that this is a real and overwhelming threat. My immediate reaction, of course, was to tell my friends and family - and I've been shocked and stunned by how they have responded to me. Reactions have ranged from, "well, perhaps, but we'll be able to use <insert alternative energy source of your choice> soon," to "something will get sorted out soon," to "There's enough oil in Canada for hundreds of years," to laughter. I guess I can understand why. The whole concept is terrifying.

So, I've given up trying to talk to people I know about it. There are no peak oil groups round here at all that I can find. I'm doing what I can alone: stocking up with food, planning on tripling the amount of food I grow next year, saving up for a wood stove, and I'm researching solar panels because I think it will be essential for me to have an alternative energy source very soon. I've always had an interest in becoming more self-sufficient - it's the main reason I emigrated from England to Canada - and because of this interest, I do have some skills that will be useful in the future, but there is so much I cannot do alone. I want to talk to people who know more about this than I do, who have had longer to plan and prepare, who can teach me how to fish even! I'm also confused about what's best - to be out in the middle of nowhere or in a small town where a community can help each other out (although my present community would be hard pressed to survive anything, I think.)

Some contact from like-minded people would certainly make my transition into peak oil preparedness much easier. :)
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby Merlin » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 20:35:42

There may not be like minded people near where you live (although, I'd bet that there are), but there are communities on the Internet that are very good at mutual support. Try joining the forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningOnEmpty2/. It is run by Robert Waldrop, a man who Walks the Talk if there ever was one. And a number of posters will take you under their wings and help to ease your anxiety. I've come to realize that preparing for the consequences of Peak Oil has more to do with mental and emotional preparations than with what you buy or store in anticipation of hard times.

When I first learned of PO, it was a terrible downer and depression over what I suddenly saw coming was a constant companion. I was particularly upset because I had always believed that mankind was on its way to the stars and now I think that is very unlikely. It was almost as if someone had pulled the plug on the future. Now, I'm more sanguine about it all. I try to find as much pleasure in living each day fully while I modify my behavior to prepare myself for the difficulties that are on their way.

I'm too old to die young and I've already had a good life. No one can take that away from me. If you are a young person, you can't find comfort in that. On the other hand, with youthful strength and vigor, you are perhaps better prepared to deal with the future than I am. Best regards, Steve
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby dooberheim » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 20:41:32

Welcome to the board.

I'd say to do everything you can do alone. As events unfold, and especially if there are price shocks in the coming months or years (Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz, for example), a lot more people will become peak aware. I've had the same problems trying to talk to people about this - they say that ethanol or biodiesel will save us, and then when I start talking about these fuels not being scalable, they glaze over and talk about something else.

Cultivate friends who are at least environmentally conscious - they'll have the easier time accepting a life of less. And the equipment and skills you acquire now will make you that much more valuable to your community when we start to have real problems.

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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 21:04:20

Ecovillage.
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby firestarter » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 21:28:59

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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby Aaron » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 21:42:54

On the right side of this website is a block named PeakSpeak.

You can use it to talk to other Peakers all around the world.

You don't even need a Mic... (although it's better with one)

And it's free & works over a modem.

Poof... solution.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 21:48:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', '[')url=http://fare.tunes.org/books/Hess/dop.html]karl hess[/url]


Oh yeah Firestarter!!! 8)

DIE OFF

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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby ReserveGrowthRulz » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 22:14:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drumgirl', '
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I stumbled onto the subject about two months ago. Since then, I've researched it thoroughly and have realized that this is a real and overwhelming threat.


Then you need to study some more, because this isn't a correct conclusion from the evidence presented to date.
So....heading into our 3rd year post peak and I'm still getting caught in traffic jams!! DieOff already!
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby zoidberg » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 22:31:03

Don't uproot yourself completely though. Anyone who says they know how peak oil will play out is lying to sell books. It looks to me that it'll take decades before we're reduced to grubbing roots out of the ground to survive. That is, if some paradigm shift doesnt reduce the effects of peak oil to a centuries long change. We have lots of options for conservation, and lets face it, we will burn/liquefy every ton of coal we can scrape out. So we'll starting hitting some oil in Arctic when the ice caps melt, to prolong the whole thing even longer. Not exactly comforting, but the world wont jam up and stop in 2010, or 2015 or even 2020. Theres a world of difference between things being expensive, and things not being there at all.

But y'know what? Gardening is fun and satisfying even without a catastrophe forcing you to feed yourself, so go nuts in that regard.

And hypothetically speaking, do you really want everyone around you to be aware that the world was about to shift radically? Might make resources scarce if everyone was nervous and they got the inkling the change was about to happen. Like if you hear an US aircraft carrier got sunk in the Straits of Hormuz, do you really want everyone in the grocery store with you?
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 22:49:24

Most all of us here can relate to what your feeling and experiencing. It will get easier over time to deal with. Like some others have said things aren't disappearing overnight, we've got time. As you've discovered it's not a good idea to try and wake people up to this, most are not ready to be unplugged. In any case keep researching and exploring, things will become clearer over time.
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 23:01:05

Also, spend some time in the psychology forum.

Many have had problems in their personal life after learning this. There's a lot of topics there dealing with support and advice.
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby RonMN » Sat 23 Dec 2006, 23:28:31

Welcome Drumgirl...you came to the right place!

May I suggest you check out the "planning for the future" section...lotsa good ideas written out there.
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby billg » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 00:22:44

Most small farmers are peak oil aware. If you want to find a support network in New Brunswick check out the Canadian WWOOF list.
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby savethehumans » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 01:22:42

You do live inland there in New Brunswick, right? Cuz between the melting Arctic and the melting Greenland, your coastline is gonna be radically changing--and soon.

Inland, near lakes and/or rivers is a good idea. DO learn to fish, in moderation. Fish stocks are about to become rare, too.

Veggies and fruit and nuts. YUM!

A likeminded group of people around which to form a community is a must. How you can find them in your neck of Canada, I don't know. But the Internet, as wonderful a community as it is, will be gone when the energy to run all the computers is gone.

Skills like canning, carving, building, farming, sewing, knitting, teaching, holistic medicine making, cobbling, even scavenging--learn as many as you can, and find people who can also do them (and the ones you can't do).

Wish I could be cheerier. Not a cheery subject, I fear. The Psychology board here at PO.com IS a good place to go to share fears. Planning for the Future board gives tips on how to prepare. Several boards keep you informed on What's Going On in this faltering "civilization." The more informed you are, the better positioned to know what to do next. For my part, even when there's nothing I can do, I'd still rather know than not know.

Godspeed to you. And hang on tight!
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 08:26:07

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The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 08:50:06

In addition...

These guys really, really wanna know what's on this website apparently.

http://www.cncgroup.cn/cn/index_cn.asp

...cause we logged 1,636 different IP addresses over the last 6 months from em.

That's a financial group from Shandong Province China.

And these guys too:

CHINA RAILWAY TELECOMMUNICATIONS CENTER 894
THE BOEING COMPANY 836
GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY 831
Lockheed-Martin Corporation 603
Laughlin Air Force Base 548

And not to be missed:

United States Geological Survey 466

And the list goes on & on & on... too many to post.

None of you are alone...
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby Arkwright » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 10:38:28

Just as an interest, could you publish hits per country. Then we could compare them to respective populations and see which countries are most peakoil.com aware. Not too sound method but results might be interesting :)
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 10:57:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'M')embers: 14,585


Yeah, but how many of those "members" are currently active or have even visited here within the past year or two, Aaron?

Another forum with which I used to be affiliated would go through every six month and ask members to re-register, Those who didn't were dropped as members. Kept the membership numbers in the hundreds rather than the thousands. :roll:
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Re: I need someone to talk to

Unread postby ReserveGrowthRulz » Sun 24 Dec 2006, 11:29:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'M')embers: 14,585


Another forum with which I used to be affiliated would go through every six month and ask members to re-register, Those who didn't were dropped as members. Kept the membership numbers in the hundreds rather than the thousands. :roll:


Sounds like a good idea...unless of course you specifically want to keep the numbers high?

Hows this for a graph...posting members per month y axis, nationwide gasoline price y axis, months on x axis, for the past 2 years or so?

While lurker counts are interesting, how many people are interested enough to participate, and how is that interest related to something which might suspiciously drive membership yet not be directly related to PO?
So....heading into our 3rd year post peak and I'm still getting caught in traffic jams!! DieOff already!
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