[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'b')ump

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'I') know that this topic may actually be so wide of a net that we all feel like it is talking to the leopard about his spots, but I think it is a serious issue that is a sociological factor contributing to the current problems we face.

[Princess]

Virtually every job I've had I got through the "old-boy network". I knew someone, who knew someone. It's called networking. It's the best way to find a job, IMO. Going to court because you didn't get the job? Good grief.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'T')he question is not what is the status quo, but is the status quo discriminatory?

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')ou are avoiding the question. The question is not what is the status quo, but is the status quo discriminatory? How would you feel if you ever ended up on the outside of the ole boy network?

[Daculling]

People (individuals) discriminate based on a lot of factors... military service... lifestyle... even race and gender

Now when the gov or another entity comes along and tries to reverse this by policy it gets really ugly. EOE is nothing but reverse discrimination against White males (as individuals)... after all if it truly was equal you would not have to say it, would you?

Entities that aggressively implement these discriminatory practices make the problem worse by creating harbors for resentment and an entitlement attitude.

Where am I coming from? My Corp. is very aggressive with the whole "diversity" thing but somehow I can't see that 75% of the hire-able engineers available in the area are minorities or 75% female. If diversity was truly the goal why are they trying to get rid of the White males? Are we not diverse enough? We represent 10% of the population? I think not.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'G')et used to it as in compromise your integrity and what you know is right to participate in a pervasive and accepted discriminatory policy?

[Kingcoal]

Being in business for yourself really gives you a new perception on things. The people who hire you are not your employer, they are your customer and the customer is always right. If they don't like the way you look or whatever, they can "fire" you at any time and not have to answer to anyone.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '
')That is a specious argument rog and you know it. Equal Employment is about the underlying premise that equally qualified people are equally acceptable.

[Daculling]

What I am saying is that a top down approach to the problem is inherently wrong and discriminatory. Take on the problem of why women/minorities don't become engineers from the bottom. I think you will find more problems than sexism/racism alone, like you alluded to. That is why the present system is in place. It is easier in the short term but tears us apart in the long term. We used the light sweet first right?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'T')hat is a specious argument rog and you know it. Equal Employment is about the underlying premise that equally qualified people are equally acceptable.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')
We have neither.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'H')ow does that feel?