It's more hopeless than it seems.

by **jupiter422** » Thu 09 Nov 2006, 21:15:26

More than anything else, The intention of this post is to vent.

I have been following peakoil for a relatively short time ,something around two years or so.I Have read my share of statistics , facts, opinionated editorials,theories, forecast,and shit so far out there it's unbelievable.
What I have gathered filtering through and absorbing all the material and forming my own personal thoughts.Is that the biggest problem out of all of this is a population problem.
We have reproduced like mice, with no foresight of the impending consequences.Technology has made it possible to stretch the numbers this far.
Despite all the conventions, websites (forums),data,and basic common sense.As little as nothing has been done to change or imrove the horrible direction we are headed.
I can honestly say in the two years I have been follwing alll the unfolding events absolutely nothing has gotten better.If anything we may haved moved up a couple tick marks, on the spedometer.Ever increasing the speed, at which we as a civilization meet are inevitable fate.
I don't have a hard time enjoying life inspite of our dire circumstances.However I can't help ,but let it get to me ,that all of the gradeschoolers, children, toddlers, infants ,and soon to be born are obliviously futureless.I'm not making the argument that every single one of them has no future ,but in a realist view they pretty much don't .Never the less they keep on coming into this world each and everyday.What a shame it is, what a shame.
Whoever wants to reply may reply ,but my view will remain.The biggest dissapointment ,is that you have to give up on the hope that things will just not work out, as you once imagined. at one point in your life, before you knew of peakoil.

by **PrairieMule** » Thu 09 Nov 2006, 21:39:22

First of all sometimes its good to take a break from this place. Lots of regulars here do just that and come back with a new perspective in a day or two.

Also, accept the fact that there is no other way to eat a elephant exept for 1 bite at a time. Do little things make yourself financially, physically, and mentally more adaptable. I'll bet those are things you already are doing.

As for me, I realisticaly figure on things going to shit in five years. On the flip side I may be wrong and so is everyone else here. Something what keeps me going forward is my goal of being able to help others to some degree. I can't save everyone but I can find a few and let them know someone gives a shit. That alone keeps me upbeat. I get up every day and know that if or when TSHF I have purpose and a plan. That makes all the difference.

So jup I ask you what is your purpose? Will you pull your shit in a sock and be part of the solution? It does not matter who is left or right, queer, gun-crazy, anti-Bush and so on. There is only THE LONG EMERGENCY. You have more knowledge in your head than 99% of the population. Time is short and we have much work to do.

by **Daculling** » Thu 09 Nov 2006, 21:51:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiter422', 'T')he biggest dissapointment ,is that you have to give up on the hope that things will just not work out, as you once imagined. at one point in your life, before you knew of peakoil.

by **jupiter422** » Thu 09 Nov 2006, 22:29:37

I do own a substantial horde of silver that was all bought under $10.00 an ounce. I accept more than I illustrate in my above post.Like i said the intention of the post was to vent ,nothing more

by **jupiter422** » Thu 09 Nov 2006, 22:36:39

To sum up my above post, What I am saying is, that where I live is a constant reminder of the mess we are in .I am surrounded by hoplessness and unsustainability.

I went to kentucky last year to visit my dad, he lives up on a mountain that is very remote and setback about 80 years behind where I currently live.It was quite a very content and secure vacation.It felt really hopeful there.However it was just a vacation.My wife would never go for it.

by **PolestaR** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 00:06:03

Well... I agree with us being overpopulated. One thing which I like though is the balanced argument.. you know those people who say "well WHO tells you the earth is overpopulated? how do YOU know what the number is, or if we couldn't support another 5 billion if managed right?".

It comes down to what I WANT though... mostly because I despise the average person majority we have now and I want them to be as dead as my insightfulness is sometimes.

by **Daculling** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 00:07:35

Not all of us will live though this. When you accept that everything will be ok.

by **gego** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 01:51:08

Gee, a post from the steerage cabins on the Titanic; you knew you should have bought a first class ticket but the wife says no.

What is the big deal about staying where she is for your wife? Family? Boyfriend? Inertia?

Is this what people mean when they use the term, "pussy whipped"?
Sounds to me that your hopelessness is self created and self perpetuated.

by **jeezlouise** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 02:02:24

Whoa, hang on... This: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiter422', ' ') I grew up in the country ,i hunted, fished ,explored,grew gardens

by **seldom_seen** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 02:24:23

Alaska

by **jupiter422** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 04:02:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'G')ee, a post from the steerage cabins on the Titanic; you knew you should have bought a first class ticket but the wife says no.

What is the big deal about staying where she is for your wife? Family? Boyfriend? Inertia?

Is this what people mean when they use the term, "pussy whipped"?
Sounds to me that your hopelessness is self created and self perpetuated.

by **caliginousface** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 05:05:33

I feel ya man. I often times ask myself what the fuck i'm doing aspiring to be an airborne oil burner. I see no hope for most industrialized nations. When oil gets too hot we'll burn coal, and who gives about the environment when we have to sustain our lives right?! You are right on about population, and many of us will suffer the consequences.

My fam is mostly Buddhist, and my grandma was talking about how you must be a good person so that you aren't born again because this life is just so miserable. We know death, pain, fear, anxiety, the pains of old age, everything you can think of. Why would we want to go through all this again? I too look at the youngins, and myself, and wonder "What are we going to do?" I secretly hope two things: peak oil rapes us all so we all see the finer points than talking GPS nav, Starbucks frappocino power, and H2's; and at the same time hope we some how get around this huge problem, once again relying on God (technology) to bail us out again.

The canned food stock begins this weekend!

by **smiley** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 05:26:11

Jupiter, you describe my initial reaction to PO. I could not imagine that humanity could ever function without oil, or for that matter that I could function.

However the more I got to grips with the situation the more positive I have become. That is mainly due to these arguments.

1) An extremely large part of our oil usage is downright waste of energy. We can do without it.

2) Alternatives do exist, there is no sense in denying that. And although alternatives could never hope to replace our current energy consumption, they can help to meet our minimum requirements.

3) PO is something which is within our control. In other words I can do things to limit my exposure to PO.

4) PO is not like a meteor which someday might or might not crash through my roof. It is going to happen and we have a rough timeframe in which events are going to unfold.

5) On that same note. PO is an extremely slow process. It allows you time to adjust to the changing situation and to make the steps necessary.

In short:

PO is something I can do something about. I have options and time to exercise these options.

The fact that I have a limited control over what is going to happen makes the situation a whole lot less frightening to me.

by **gego** » Fri 10 Nov 2006, 07:55:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiter422', 'H')owever it's unfortunate that my wife being only 20 years old has a hard time accepting peak oil in a way that would make it possible for us to prepare as a team.On one hand I would like to save money and prepare for the worst .On the other hand my wife would like a new car,and to go to the mall and consume, consume ,consume, as if the picket fence american dream is something we can achieve.
All I was saying is that My own circumstance make me look at things in a cynical manner from time to time ,but i accept
everything in my life as it is.

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