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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 13:10:11

Ok good stuff. Question - So Atlantis is under the ice pretty much intact right?
Even if volcanic activity swallowed it up it also preserves. This can only be reconciled to suggest that the menoans where indeed related to atlantians and they went on to build right on top of a cauldera which...is possible.

I have always thought that there could have been 2 island nations yet perhaps Lemuria is only Atlantis in a different language. Ok so is this also suggesting that crust displacement occurs naturally and why? If/when this occurs will people fly out into space?;-)
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 13:54:48

There's nothing new here. This theory is an old one. But until someone actually goes down there and drills through the ice, we'll never know for sure.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'O')k so is this also suggesting that crust displacement occurs naturally and why?


One theory works like this:

1. Fill up the bathtub
2. Put a basketball into the tub
3. Press down on it.

Your pressure on the ball's surface is like the weight of the ice sheets. As you press harder, the ball tends to try and slip out from under your hand. Granted, it's an over-simplification, but you get the idea.

Remember, the earth's crust is literally floating over a liquid core. Once the weight of the ice sheets become great enough, gravity pulls the weight of the ice towards the equator, shifting the entire outer layer of the earth with it.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby MD » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 15:34:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'R')emember, the earth's crust is literally floating over a liquid core. Once the weight of the ice sheets become great enough, gravity pulls the weight of the ice towards the equator, shifting the entire outer layer of the earth with it.

Gravity? or Centrifugal Force?
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 16:36:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'G')ravity? or Centrifugal Force?


I'll leave that question to the physicists.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 16:48:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', 'F')our once I have nothing to say.

How about the following:
1. No scale.
2. The ancients had an appalling sense of proportion, they did not do maps like we know them today.
3. Odds of it being a minor Mediteranean/Agean island that succumbed to earthquake compared to being at South Pole?
4. There is no point 4.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 17:19:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', 'Y')ou mean like Lake Vostok? http://www.resa.net/nasa/antarctica.htm

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part that mentioned them uncovering evidence of Atlantis in that link. By all means though, if they actually do uncover such evidence, please let me know.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 17:44:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'B')y all means though, if they actually do uncover such evidence, please let me know.
I have to side with Dreamtwister on this, there is no proof of anything. Just more posturing by a bunch of wishers hoping to find something to validate there existence. "Yay I found atlantis, Yay for me."\
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 18:51:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilmonkeyspanker', 'I') have to side with Dreamtwister on this, there is no proof of anything.

Please don't misunderstand me here. I'm perfectly willing to entertain the possibility that there may have been an Atlantean migration (there is some evidence to suggest it's possible), and I'm also willing to entertain that *if* such a nation ever existed, Antarctica is as viable a location as any of the others I've heard.

What I'm not willing to do is state "Yes, this is where they came from." without seeing...something in the archealogical records to support it. The Antarctic theory is just that: a theory. Show me a clay bowl. Show me a burial chamber. Show me a ruined village. Show me...anything.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 19:33:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'T')here's nothing new here. This theory is an old one. But until someone actually goes down there and drills through the ice, we'll never know for sure.


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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 19:48:09

So Antarctica was once located in warmer climes, Anybody thought of checking just how long ago it got to the South Pole and covered with ice? Try 40 Million Years No humans around back then folks.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 20:02:37

*sighs; wearily begins typing*

Jeez, people, come on. The legend of Atlantis was created by one single individual: Plato. He is the sole source of the story, period. There is no other corroborating source:

Plato's "Atlantis"

If he was referring to anything real at all, it was most likely the volcanic eruption of the island of Thera:

Thera eruption

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"Atlantis"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tarting with Spyridon Marinatos' 1939 landmark paper, this cataclysm at Santorini and its possibility to have caused the fall of the Minoan Civilization centered on Crete is sometimes regarded as a likely source or inspiration for Plato's story of Atlantis.

Detractors of the theory say that Santorini and Crete combined would not be the size of Plato's Atlantis, and the date of the Minoan collapse does not match Plato's dates for the fall of Atlantis. Scholars such as James W. Mavor and A. G. Galanopoulos argue that the error in date and size could be caused by a mistranscription of the Ancient Egyptian or Mycenaean Linear B symbol for "hundred" as "thousand" (the former is unlikely because there would be little confusion in the visual appearance of hieroglyphic symbols of Egyptian numeric values).

We love our myths and legends, and Atlantis has great appeal. It's a shame that it's just a tale spun by a famous philosopher.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 20:12:56

There are mega ice ages and mini ice ages etc.

vostock ice core data

So approx. 11-13k years ago the ice started melting.
This caused the crust movement and ended with atlantis on the south pole? ;-)
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 20:22:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')This caused the crust movement and ended with atlantis on the south pole? ;-)
are you being ironic, NEO? It's been there 40 million years. hello?
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 20:55:04

yeah so how did all that ice get on top of atlantis?

what? it could have happened this way! ;-)

Does the ice at the poles have to be attached or could it just be free floating? heh heh heh
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 21:27:24

"Atlantis was destroyed when
the entire outer shell of the earth
displaced over the asthenosphere."

Why not read an article about plate tectonics? The aesthenosphere was confirmed in 1960 by seismologic data. It's irrelevant if Einstein liked this "displacement theory". In 1956, the field of Geology was laboring under strange theories as archaic now as Phlogiston. In the late 60's and early 70's sea-floor spreading was confirmed by studies of magnetic reversal patterns on the sea floor. The whole thing was a major breakthrough, one of the most important advancements of science in history. If you are excited and content with stuff like this that Raph has given us, great, more power to you. But just what the hell is "the entire outer shell of the earth displaced over the aesthenosphere" supposed to mean? Pretty vague stuff. The light continental crust rides passively embedded in denser basaltic ocean floor crust as the plates move around. And the timescales are millions of years, not thousands. It's taken 180 million years for the Atlantic Ocean to open up. Read this: Plate Tectonics
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 09:52:44

cool, inner meaning, outer meaning, great. just so we don't have any island-sails-through-the-crust hanky panky. :)
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 10:29:32

Plate tectonics and asthenospheric displacement are not mutually exclusive.
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