[Declan]

Whether you Liberal/Socialist/Environmentalist/Animal Activist types can accept it or not, the truth is that Western Society is superior to all others. Sadly, we are being destroyed from within, not by the enemy (or at least not as much) but by our own parasitical "off spring".

It is a long read, but so worth your while. Hopefully, we(as a civilization) will find our testicles in time to stop this self destruction. We need to do some serious house cleaning and we need to find the internal fortitude to erradicate the cancer within, regardless of how "fascist" it my appear to the weak minded.




Age of terror, age of illusions


Part One: I remember the anger I felt watching the endlessly repeated images of the towers collapsing. But there's another kind of anger -- a more cerebral one toward the intellectuals of our time who contributed to all that destruction through their hostility toward the mores and traditions of western civilization.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')obert Sibley, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Saturday, September 09, 2006

NEW YORK - I still see bodies falling. Standing at my hotel window, overlooking Ground Zero, it's not hard to visualize the flaming towers and the bird-like figures of human bodies plummeting through the air. I especially remember a couple leaping hand in hand into emptiness. In their flapping clothes they looked like big clumsy birds, desperate to fly.

There were others, of course. Dozens. According to one estimate, some 200 people jumped from the North and South Towers in the hour-and-a-half the buildings remained standing after the planes hit the World Trade Center on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. Clerks and executives, cooks and waiters, patrons and clients; they leaped in a continuous stream from the four sides of the buildings, from the office windows of Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond-trading firm, from the Windows on the World restaurant that occupied the 106th and 107th floors, from the offices of the insurance company Marsh & McLennan. Writer Tom Junod, in a recent article in Esquire magazine, described the jumpers in heartbreaking imagery: "They jumped through windows already broken and then, later, through windows they broke themselves. They jumped to escape the smoke and the fire; they jumped when ceilings fell and the floors collapse; they jumped just to breathe once more before they died."

Some clearly hoped they wouldn't die. They used drapes and tablecloths as parachutes. It did no good. The force of falling tore the makeshift parachutes from their hands. And so they fell, bodies arcing and wheeling and tumbling through space, dropping at an ever-increasing a rate of 9.8 metres per second. In the 10 seconds or so it took to reach the ground they were moving at more than 200 km/h. At that speed their clothes were shredded and stripped from their bodies. (more at link)

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', 't')he truth is that Western Society is superior to all others

[nwildmand]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', 't')he truth is that Western Society is superior to all others

[Declan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', 't')he truth is that Western Society is superior to all others

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

So what is the Mulsim version of the IMF or the WTO? What other country has used an atom bomb on a major population center? how about white phosphorus on civilians?

I think most of us realize that the muslim countries have tortured and held innocent people if not outright killed them for any old reason. And that western society has progressed the world in many ways such as allowing women to go to school, increasing life spans and the limits of human knowledge. Theses aren't things we hate or rail against.

I think what the "leftists" are angry about is that the elites go too far, further in fact than they ever have in history regardless of race, status, or religion.

This author (in a disappointingly typically way) seems to think that we can't rail against one or two injustices or flaws without being against everything the west stands for. that simply isn't the truth.

He does make a good point that it does (on both sides) seem to be heading towards a war of ideologies. us or them. but then that's nothing new either.

[Declan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A')ctually Western Society is being destroyed from within by people who lecture others but don't bother to inform themselves.

Whether they be socialist, right-wing jerk, NASCAR-snorting motorhead, or declans.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Code of Conduct', 'U')nnecessary text quotation: If you wish to quote a post or article, do not quote the entire post/article. Only include the part of the post text to which you are responding. With articles, post a short paragraph and provide a link.

[Declan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '
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I think what the "leftists" are angry about is that the elites go too far, further in fact than they ever have in history regardless of race, status, or religion.

This author (in a disappointingly typically way) seems to think that we can't rail against one or two injustices or flaws without being against everything the west stands for. that simply isn't the truth.

[Declan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'd')eclan you need to get out of the woods. That wolverine meat has too many hormones. It's making you angry

[Aaron]

HawkMan approves of your disposition and acknowledgement of the naked truth that "claws make laws".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are either the winner or the loser, the master or the slave, at the very top of the food chain, or food. I could go on but I am sure you get the idea.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ule with an iron fist, always, or everything will be lost...eventually.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is the first of the new buildings that will prove America’s triumph over terrorism

[PenultimateManStanding]

Aaron, you could get tax-exempt status if this Hawk Man cult of yours takes off. Could be a really good deal for you, I mean it. But so far all I have seen is somebody wanting to know why the Hawk's got no "package". Maybe you could photoshop him or give him a new costume. Your pal,

PMS.

[venky]

Think a non-western perspective is needed here. Yes, there are a variety of measures by which can make an objective assesment to reach the conclusion that you have made. Industrial output, technology, Liberalism and protection of individual rights, relative freeness from corruption (that hurts a lot in my home country).

A simplistic reason for that might be that the white race is superior in organization of modern nation states; there is no way I can disprove that expect that I know that it is not true at a personal level. Indian Americans are the most successful ethnic minority in the United States with the highest per capita income and 10% of them being millionaires. And having lived in both the West and the third world; while the standard of living might be a little higher here, but that is measured entirely materialistically by the number of gadgets that I can buy here. The quality of life is no different, from my personal experience, but then I was fortunate enough to be born into an upper middle class family.

And I do accept that our own third world leaders have been as good as the westerners when it comes to screwing the population. And violence within kills far more than what the West has done. But most dont forget the terrible destruction that the West perpetrated in the colonial times when it achieved its domination through superior means of organized violence.

But atleast in some countries in the third world have put this behind and are now industrializing rapidly. In a world of infinite resources I believe that we can catch up with the West in a matter of decades. But unfortunately we are industrializing in an era of when humanity is pushing against the limits the growth. The next few decades should be interesting to say the least.

You can feel better if you want by believing that you live in a superior society. Something you achieved only by the accident of birth. Frankly, I dont give a damm. I suspect that some third world countries will do better in the coming energy crisis then some first world countries; there have both advantages and disadvantages. And as for 'us' vs 'them', well I dont think that the west is a homogenous entity (you primary purpose in your post is to attack your fellow more left wing westerners) and each country will probably act in its own interest. And atleast from my perspective (as an Indian) it would be great if the West does come into conflict with the Islamic world; and they both get weakened considerably.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', 'P')rogress could in fact be continued indefinitelly if it wasn't for the weaking and subsequent collapse of our civilization.

[Cloud9]

Robert Sibley is erudite, concise, and correct. The left hates American culture dismisses it as trite and deludes itself with an imagined state of nature. We were and always have been in a fight for our existence. We will prevail because the Islamic revolution is reactionary in nature. It is a conservative revolution. It offers the world nothing but a new dark age.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')t offers the world nothing but a new dark age.

[jaws]

Western society was superior to all others. Now it is nothing but a ruin, a corpse no one has declared dead. Why else would people be so afraid of "the clash of civilizations"? Western men did not tremble before muslims or the Chinese a century ago. They were the top of the world and the world was astonished by their accomplishments.

The uncultured brutes who stormed Iraq thinking they would remake it in their image have turned out to be an embarassment, a final nail in the coffin of the West.