[lorenzo]

Writers of Peak Oil books are in it for the money. Anyone can see this, you can even hear it in this video, where best-selling peak oil money-maker "Mike Ruppert" devotes half of his entire lecture *denying* that he's only in it for the money. (You don't have to be a Freudian psychoanalyst to understand then that he is. Watch the vid; he really devotes most of his time contradicting himself, stumbling over his words, really doing his best to explain how seriously he is *not* in it for the money.) He lectures at a festival about the end of life because of Peak Oil, with a big crowd of obsessed "fans" staring at their hero, like rabbits in a light box.

Now I don't have anything against fiction authors. But if they write their fiction and present it in such a way that weak persons start to change their behavior in dangerous ways because of it, then these macchiavellistic money freaks must be stopped.

There are people out there who, in full Peak Oil panic, have sold their house to buy a piece of land to "prepare for the collapse" where they want to plant their own food etcetera. These mildly psychotic individuals must be protected against themselves. With that you would agree.

The question is: must the real culprits be sued and brought to justice? Is freedom of speech and freedom to indoctrinate people more important than the public good and the wellfare of people? A difficult question.

There is however a legal basis to sue these macchiavellistic freaks who prey on weak people:

1. In Europe there is an act that deals with dangerous sects, cults and esoteric movements and their leaders. Peak Oil authors readily qualify.

2. Most rational countries have laws and specialized agencies to fight dangerous cults and sects, such as the famous "Interministerial Mission to Fight Against Sects (MILS)", which condemned Scientology in France.

3. The Council of Europe has Recommendation 1178 on dangerous cults and sects, which would be taken up by the European Court of Human Rights, and which in the case of freak movements gets priority over Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Peak Oil authors readily qualify as cult leaders who could be jailed under any of these laws.

What do you think? Should they be prosecuted?

[jato]

Sieg hail mein konfuser freund!

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'P')eak Oil authors readily qualify as cult leaders who could be jailed under any of these laws.

What do you think? Should they be prosecuted?

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')There are people out there who, in full Peak Oil panic, have sold their house to buy a piece of land to "prepare for the collapse" where they want to plant their own food etcetera. These mildly psychotic individuals must be protected against themselves. With that you would agree.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')But if they write their fiction and present it in such a way that weak persons start to change their behavior in dangerous ways because of it,

[PolestaR]

Actually even though Lorenzo is quite... well you know.... he has one thing right. Ruppert, Kunstler, Matt Savinaar (though compared to the others he is small fry, I mention him because he visits here) are in it for the money as the #1 reason, no question. They do have other reasons granted and try to make them seem #1 (better business that way).

Once you see the end game of all this shit you realize you wouldnt want to tell anyone beyond your most important network to prepare for it. These clowns prolly know the endgame but think it will turn different or that the people they awaken wont make a big dent to their survival plans.

[jeezlouise]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '1'). In Europe there is an act that deals with dangerous sects, cults and esoteric movements and their leaders. Peak Oil authors readily qualify.

2. Most rational countries have laws and specialized agencies to fight dangerous cults and sects, such as the famous "Interministerial Mission to Fight Against Sects (MILS)", which condemned Scientology in France.

3. The Council of Europe has Recommendation 1178 on dangerous cults and sects, which would be taken up by the European Court of Human Rights, and which in the case of freak movements gets priority over Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Peak Oil authors readily qualify as cult leaders who could be jailed under any of these laws.

What do you think? Should they be prosecuted?

[Atlantean_Relic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')
Once you see the end game of all this shit you realize you wouldnt want to tell anyone beyond your most important network to prepare for it. These clowns prolly know the endgame but think it will turn different or that the people they awaken wont make a big dent to their survival plans.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'C')ould it be that maybe some off them have a larger definition of network, they have a wide altruistic streak, or just a conscious that would not let them sleep if they didn't at least say something.

[seldom_seen]

I like the idea Lorenzo, but you do not understand the American legal system. You don't want to go after the authors themselves.

Let's say theoretically I sue James Kunstler for getting me to sell my house and move to an ecovillage in Costa Rica. What can I expect out of the deal? Maybe an old typewriter, a little piece of property in upstate new york and several hundred signed copies of The Long Emergency? We can do better than that.

You want to start first by targeting the publisher. Then identify the holding company that owns the publisher, so on and so forth. Ultimately there are like are like 3 companies that own everything in the US. You will eventually be suing a company like Citigroup or General Electric.

High profile companies like Citigroup don't want the bad PR associated with the crackpot and fantatical authors in their employ. If things go as planned, you will receive a handsome out of court settlement with a fair amount left over even after you give about 70% to your lawyer.

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'I') like the idea Lorenzo, but you do not understand the American legal system. You don't want to go after the authors themselves.

Let's say theoretically I sue James Kunstler for getting me to sell my house and move to an ecovillage in Costa Rica. What can I expect out of the deal?

[smallpoxgirl]

[jeezlouise]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', ' ') If you become paranoid and freakish because you read a cult book, and you start to behave in ways that threaten the public order (say you start to form auto-defense or armed groups to "prepare for the collapse", etc...), then you should be locked away. You will agree here.

[EndOfSewers]

Shit, we should lock up the Pope for discouraging birth control.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'D')on't feed the troll.

[0mar]

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[jeezlouise]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndOfSewers', 'S')hit, we should lock up the Pope for discouraging birth control.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')Maybe I should clarify this. If you become paranoid and freakish because you read a cult book, and you start to behave in ways that threaten the public order (say you start to form auto-defense or Secular State, against Irrationality and Freakdom, at times at the cost of Freedom of Speech and Lunacy.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'I')f you become paranoid and freakish because you read a cult book, and you start to behave in ways that threaten the public order (say you start to form auto-defense or armed groups to "prepare for the collapse", etc...), then you should be locked away. You will agree here.

[Atlantean_Relic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')Maybe I should clarify this. If you become paranoid and freakish because you read a cult book, and you start to behave in ways that threaten the public order (say you start to form auto-defense or Secular State, against Irrationality and Freakdom, at times at the cost of Freedom of Speech and Lunacy.