[PenultimateManStanding]

Here's the story: a baby elephant tries to kick off the rope tieing it's leg to a post. The baby elephant gives up because it is not able to break the bond. The baby elephant grows up but has long since given up trying to be free. The adult elephant doesn't try anymore to be free, but it could easily do so if it wasn't conditioned. Sound familiar? I told this story to my boy the other day. He's 17. His 25 year old sister said to him, "give me your cell phone". He gave it to her. It turned out later that we needed it. That older sister was rather mean to her younger brother in their earlier days, to put it mildly. He is a smiling and good natured boy. So I told him how important it is to be able to say "no". He said it was "liberating". But I could see that it touched on core issues. He does hate her on some levels, and it should be resolved. The way to resolve these sorts of things is through strength and confidence, not resentment. Awareness and knowledge. Everybody has issues. Can we remember where they all came from?

[PenultimateManStanding]

All you losers who never figured it out, it's an intergenerational thing what counts. That's the problem with the Left. Leftists can't relate to their offspring for obvious reasons of hatred of their fathers. Fathers are needed. It's the patriarchy thing that sent the sick British girl over the edge. Her pop was clearly not there for her. Maybe some of you dispute it, forget it. Truth is truth. Boys and girls alike need Dad. It's emotional, and we are all emotional.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'B')oys and girls alike need Dad.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')ll you losers who never figured it out, it's an intergenerational thing what counts. That's the problem with the Left.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')ll you losers who never figured it out, it's an intergenerational thing what counts. That's the problem with the Left.

[Aaron]

I know a girl,
She puts the color inside of my world.

But she's just like a maze, one where the walls continually change.

I've done all I can,
To stand on the steps with my heart in my hand.

Now I'm starting to see,
Maybe it's got nuthin to do... with me.

Fathers be good to your daughters,
Your daughters will love like you do.

Girls become lovers,
Who turn into mothers.

So mothers,
Be good to your daughters too.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') know a girl,
She puts the color inside of my world.

But she's just like a maze, one where the walls continually change.

I've done all I can,
To stand on the steps with my heart in my hand.

Now I'm starting to see,
Maybe it's got nuthin to do... with me.

Fathers be good to your daughters,
Your daughters will love like you do.

Girls become lovers,
Who turn into mothers.

So mothers,
Be good to your daughters too.

[Aaron]

"Not my first Rodeo" as they say around here.

It's a song I just learned by John Mayer.

nice little tune.

And yeah... I feel the same way about the regulars around here myself.

Good to see you around.

[smallpoxgirl]

Seems to me the hard part about the craziness of parents is that as a kid you have no point of reference. You just assume that everyone is like your parents more or less. Takes you till you're 30 to figure out how much of your childhood was just you're parent's wierdness. By then lots of people have kids of their own that are in middle school.

From what I've read of the Lakota, in the old days the kids got bounced around a lot. Didn't spend much time with the biological parents. Lots of time with the grandparents (who have hopefully had some time to work out their own issues by then.) Also lots of time with Aunts and Uncles and adopted parents. Seems like it would give you a much better basis to understand what's happening in the world. Also you'd get exposed to teaching from so many different sources.

[worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e does hate her on some levels, and it should be resolved. The way to resolve these sorts of things is through strength and confidence, not resentment. Awareness and knowledge. Everybody has issues. Can we remember where they all came from?

[rogerhb]

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Attributed to Socrates by Plato

Cross their legs? Heavens...