[Miki]

[web]http://www.monabaker.com/pMachine/more.php?id=61_0_1_36_M6[/web]

We all have a lot to learn from him.

[PenultimateManStanding]

This poor man reminds me of Nick Berg's father.

[Jack]

Ah, yes, ethics. The world purports to love the peaceful - as it kills them. People advocate turning the other cheek - as they abuse those who do.

Peace can only be achieved be eliminating the enemy utterly. Ethics is merely a social construct, created by the comfortable living in a world created by hard men using harsh methods. It should be noted that survivors and the children of survivors speak of ethics. The broken, dead, and defeated, do not.

Moral: The highest ethic is survival.

[Falconoffury]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')thics is merely a social construct, created by the comfortable living in a world created by hard men using harsh methods. It should be noted that survivors and the children of survivors speak of ethics. The broken, dead, and defeated, do not.

Moral: The highest ethic is survival.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'l')iving in a world created by hard men using harsh methods. It Peace is usually the greatest victory for the greatest number of people.

[Falconoffury]

War is a method by which the few control the many. It is an evolved practice, but not the only evolved practice. I happen to believe that the branch of evolution that promotes peaceful methods to preserve the largest possible view of the world to be the most superior.

The human race can survive with war, but there are other ways. I am reminded of the last thing the Nox leader said to SG-1 in Stargate SG-1. "Perhaps one day you will learn that your way is not the only way."

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'I') happen to believe that the branch of evolution that promotes peaceful methods to preserve the largest possible view of the world to be the most superior.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '
')I also note that warfare, and the preparation for war, have been one of the main priorities of humankind for the past 4000 years - at least. When will this peaceful approach of which you speak triumph? Not during my lifetime, I dare say!

[rogerhb]

Israel is a country which has not matured past "an eye for an eye".

[venky]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'A')h, yes, ethics. The world purports to love the peaceful - as it kills them. People advocate turning the other cheek - as they abuse those who do.

Peace can only be achieved be eliminating the enemy utterly. Ethics is merely a social construct, created by the comfortable living in a world created by hard men using harsh methods. It should be noted that survivors and the children of survivors speak of ethics. The broken, dead, and defeated, do not.

Moral: The highest ethic is survival.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '.')..those individuals who refuse to abide by the ethics of the society become a danger to society itself; and society has ways of dealing with deviant behavior.

[Chaparral]

If there is an "other way" is must be an evolutionarily stable strategy.

Thus far my limited study of history and my more extensive interaction with real live humans has told me that turning the other cheek is not evolutionarily stable. It is an invasible strategy and such strategies are doomed to fall into the dustbin of history.

I'd argue that the road to an "other way" if one exists, begins with dispensing once and for all this moralistic bullshit that is fed to children and other gullible things and by acknowledging what we human beasts really are. Once that is understood, then we can forge ahead.

I'd look to the writings of Dawkins, E.O. Wilson, Denett, Pinker and others for the initial road markers. An evolutionary understanding of things is worth trying now that we have seen the behaviorist school run its course.

[Chaparral]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'A')h, yes, BAD GUYS RULE!!!!!

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '
')True, but those individuals who refuse to abide by the ethics of the society become a danger to society itself; and society has ways of dealing with deviant behavior

[threadbear]

The most ruthless and suspicious among us too often rise to the pinnacle of power and leadership and then use that position to their advantage, rather than to actually lead.

If there is an evolutionary purpose, for this phenomenon, it's for the led to be able to clearly identify the paranoid sociopathleader and prevent him/her from ascending the political, social and economic ladder.

The cleverest technique the sociopath uses is taking outdated scientific theory, describing the natural world and applying it to human political culture.

Social Darwinism is based on outdated science, and ignores more recent discoveries of natural cooperation like acquistion of new genomes, and cooperation among mycelial networks (mushrooms) and trees.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Social Darwinism is based on outdated science, and ignores more recent discoveries of natural cooperation like acquistion of new genomes, and cooperation among mycelial networks (mushrooms) and trees.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'A')h, yes, BAD GUYS RULE!!!!!

[Chaparral]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'b')lah

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Social Darwinism is based on outdated science, and ignores more recent discoveries of natural cooperation like acquistion of new genomes, and cooperation among mycelial networks (mushrooms) and trees.

[PenultimateManStanding]

If you want to solve puzzles you need clues. Are you hiding behind clues?