[Declan]

For a few years now, some of us humans have been preoccupied with the idea of Peak Oil and all its implications. The great majority of us, it seems, are regular Joes and Janes, with regular lives, jobs, families, mortgages, etc. I have yet to speak with a Peak Oil-er with some serious political power or influence.

So what does that mean? Is Peak Oil recognition and acceptance a middle class phenomenon only? I am not sure. If us regular folks can put 2 and 2 together and come up with Armageddon, why wouldn’t someone with access to a lot more information and resources come to the same conclusion?

Or maybe they have and they just don’t want to tip their hand. That leaves room for some interesting speculations. Here are some questions that are worth asking:

1. What would you do to prepare if you were rich, politically influent and believed that Peak Oil and the subsequent crisis were inevitable?

2. How would those at the top go about keeping their “thrones” in a Post-Peak world?

3. What about the possibility that “the government”, after seeing no way out of the mess (and I am pretty sure that there isn’t one) will hoards all resources so that they can feed an “oppression machine”, instate Martial Law and takes away all freedoms. How does that possibility affect your plans?

Most of our Post-Peak contingency plans bank on the fact that there won’t be a government to speak off and that a man (or group of men) with a rifle and heir loom seeds in the pocket will be a force to be reckoned with. Not many of us ever seem to bring forth scenarios where the government has taken total control of every single blade of grass in the country as it is most likely to happen. The sheeple will in fact demand that the government take total control. It will prolong the illusion of safety a bit longer.

“Occam’s Razor” principle, paraphrased, states “that all things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best one” which in turns leads me to believe that every time things take a turn for the worse, the government will tighten up their control. When the “house of cards” finally collapses, all pretenses will be thrown aside and we will be New Age Slaves.

Peak Oil does not have to mean the same for the elite as it will for the general population. There will still be enough oil in the world for governments to maintain current levels of technology while the rest of us will be dispatched into the Stone Age. With current technologies, employed against a “horse and buggy” population, domination would be absolute.

Why isn't that a mainstream view of what will happen when "The Peak" hits?[fade]

[americandream]

I reckon the scenario you portray is a certainty.......as you so astutely indicate, those at the reins are well aware of whats afoot......anyone how thinks otherwise is either extremely naive and ill experienced with the ways of our ruling superiors or living in forlone hope that some new age of fresh opportunity (that never existed incidentally......feudalism and tribalism testify eloquently to the state of man in times of need) is on the horizon...

[TT]

Yep, I agree. And I reckon that the man with the gun that thinks he's gunna live off other people that have planned and worked for their own future will just be a criminal that will be hunted down and hung by the government of tomorrow.

Highwaymen, bandits, and bushrangers have always believed they can use force to live a life of ease at the expense of working people.

I expect to see more government regulation in the future - not less. And I don't think that the government will coerce hard working, debt free people into slave camps. These people will be required to pay a tax - be it in food or money - but there will be plenty of hungry hoardes to take the place of todays tractors and harvesters.

[perdition79]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TT', 'I') expect to see more government regulation in the future - not less. And I don't think that the government will coerce hard working, debt free people into slave camps. These people will be required to pay a tax - be it in food or money - but there will be plenty of hungry hoardes to take the place of todays tractors and harvesters.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', 'F')or a few years now, some of us humans have been preoccupied with the idea of Peak Oil and all its implications. The great majority of us, it seems, are regular Joes and Janes, with regular lives, jobs, families, mortgages, etc. I have yet to speak with a Peak Oil-er with some serious political power or influence.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', 'W')hy isn't that a mainstream view of what will happen when "The Peak" hits?

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', '1'). What would you do to prepare if you were rich, politically influent and believed that Peak Oil and the subsequent crisis were inevitable?

2. How would those at the top go about keeping their “thrones” in a Post-Peak world?

[jupiters_release]

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3. What about the possibility that “the government”, after seeing no way out of the mess (and I am pretty sure that there isn’t one) will hoards all resources so that they can feed an “oppression machine”, instate Martial Law and takes away all freedoms. How does that possibility affect your plans?

[Declan]

Dreamtwister, you are so right. When I watch the news, all I see is fear mongering and distraction tactics.

The biggest and most significant “fear attack” was (according to 48% of the US population) the scheme perpetrated on September 11.

If you believe that the current US government had a hand in the events of that day (and I believe) then the only possibility that remains is that the Bush Administration will find a way to get rid of the US Constitution and to take absolute and permanent control of the United States, before the end of W’s second term. Why? It’s very simple. If they don’t, the quest for truth about 9/11 will be successful as they will no longer be able to totally control all the elements necessary in order to continue to suppress the truth.

If the truth was to ever come, W and his regime would most likely receive the death penalty in a court of the people. He knows that, all his acolytes know that so the only logical conclusion is that they will find a way to not have to give up power, ever.

I am firm convinced that before W’s second term is up, a terrorist event of unimaginable proportions will take place in the US (or may Canada) which will give W the platform to stand on and declare Martial Law.

The first time is the hardest. Now, they are more experienced and have a mechanism of oppression in place to control dissent on a large scale.

So, if you can see the writing on the wall, you can only come to the following conclusion:

George W Bush, will be the last president of the United States of America and the first Supreme Overlord of the North American Empire (empire which unfortunately be shortly submerged in the worst civil war the world has ever known).


I think Peak Oil will indeed come to pass but it will be the least of our worries.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', 'G')eorge W Bush, will be the last president of the United States of America and the first Supreme Overlord of the North American Empire (empire which unfortunately be shortly submerged in the worst civil war the world has ever known)..

[Declan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')I do wonder what some of yall are going to be feeling when GWB comfortably and quietly finishes out his term and retires to his ranch in Texas?

[Jack]

There is another possibility, Declan. GWB might merely be the stage presence that deflects attention from those who direct him. Arguably, both parties merely represent the public face of something else.

Were that the case, control of the House might pass to the Democrats, followed by all manner of hearings. Those for and against GWB would be fully engaged in the great drama. In 2008, a new President would be elected - again, perhaps a Democrat.

On the surface, everything would change. Fundamentally, nothing would be different. But what a complete distraction it would be! And the new President would have a honeymoon period during which he could do no wrong.

Could we be played like a fiddle? I think, yes? Are the above musings valid? Nah, couldn't be. Never happen. Could it?

[Declan]

Yes Jack, it is indeed possible that the Republicans and the Democrats are in fact serving the same masters and that the whole "competition" thing is nothing but a sham to keep people occupied and distracted.

If that is true, life as we know it is a big sham and nothing short of a complete and absolute purge of the current systems of government world wide would solve the problem.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')here is another possibility, Declan. GWB might merely be the stage presence that deflects attention from those who direct him. Arguably, both parties merely represent the public face of something else.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Declan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')I do wonder what some of yall are going to be feeling when GWB comfortably and quietly finishes out his term and retires to his ranch in Texas?

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). What would you do to prepare if you were rich, politically influent and believed that Peak Oil and the subsequent crisis were inevitable?

2. How would those at the top go about keeping their “thrones” in a Post-Peak world?

[airstrip1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). What would you do to prepare if you were rich, politically influent and believed that Peak Oil and the subsequent crisis were inevitable?

2. How would those at the top go about keeping their “thrones” in a Post-Peak world?

[airstrip1]

dupe

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('airstrip1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). What would you do to prepare if you were rich, politically influent and believed that Peak Oil and the subsequent crisis were inevitable?

2. How would those at the top go about keeping their “thrones” in a Post-Peak world?

[airstrip1]

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I think its quite the opposite of your comparison. TPTB today(which doesn't include the POTUS or any other president or nation's government) have had their interests secured for many generations spanning centuries. WWIII by default just like every other war since the beginning of modern banking will benefit the exact same people. But we've finally come to a point where TPTB have foiled their own future too. What went around is finally coming around, mother natures the last batter.