[PenultimateManStanding]

Let's see what could happen. I'm thinking it could be as a result of belligerance on the part of angry Americans and a fighting mood. Internal resistance crumbles and America gets the "let's roll" attitude. First thing is the border gets sealed and all persons illegally in the country are drafted to fight along side already greatly enlarged forces. All public assistance programs become mandatory job placement centers. Resistance is dealt with in some obscure manner. Media is censored. All corporations of significant capital all placed in a new "Cabinet" office of "Commerce Coordination". Farming and food distribution decisions are made from this office in Virginia, subject to political oversight. All the while, lots of Emergency Messages in the media. People freak and do as they are told. Then come the wars. This may sound familiar but I think that much of this will not seem at all like other historical fascist take overs; it will be highly scripted. What will be present, though, just as in the earlier cases, is intense individual insecurity versus the state. And everyone gets a RFID chip in their earlobe.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I heard the Reaganomics Architech Larry Kudlow saying with regards to coal mining that they get more coal than ever now using far fewer workers than in the past and that we get cleaner coal as well as more of it thanks to technology and this trend "will continue forever". I kid you not, that's what he said. At some point the sickening truth will sink in to these people, and that's when the movement to totalitarianism will finally start in earnest. I thought this thread might be a way to compare ideas how it might go down. As I said before, I think it will seem new and different and necessary to the majority of Americans.

[holmes]

I believe the blame game, little understanding of natural sytems and processes and lack of a systems approach in life in general will be a catlyst in whatever developes. One thing for certain it will get weird. I see a hybrid soylent green/Orwellian type society forming. Its already here not at the scale it will get to tho.

[holmes]

I also watched the boob tube last night and observed how much we focus on trivial issues and deem them important. In actuality they really have no importance in the big picture. This might grow into something weird.

[PenultimateManStanding]

let's face it, the "let's roll" attitude could easily become the "let's rock'n'roll" attitude. America's leaders have delivered. What happens when they can't deliver? The whole thing is launched by the American Public, The People. The People will get angry. I can't see it looking anything like early 20th Century European Totalitarianism. But that's what it will be.

[Teclo]

I think this is exactly how it will go down or at least a good approximation. Public opinion and leadership seem way behind the curve in understanding what's happening in the world largely because of a kind of assumption America is a great power, a superpower. The neo-cons are so far behind the curve they'll respond by trying force which is only isolating them more. At home I'd only add watch out for dominionist theocrats making a move- they have 3 key assets, money, political connections and bold claims to remake America
All this will be God's judgement on liberal ammorality of course

I'm fairly convinced this is where the US is headed on paper, but in reality there is going to be opposition and this interests me since it's not so easily predictable and far more exciting. That's why I'm not an orthadox doomer, when humans are oppressed it provokes a reaction, a self defense mechanism kicks in otherwise we'd have all been dominated long ago. This is when it gets interesting!

Martin

[Ludi]

I'm reserving judgment on how easily Americans will be "totalled" until I see how they react to the mandatory NAIS. Texans at least are banding together to fight it.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'m reserving judgment on how easily Americans will be "totalled" until I see how they react to the mandatory NAIS. Texans at least are banding together to fight it.

[PrairieMule]

National Animal Identification System. The chipping of pets and farm animals. Won't be long before they chip Citizen Mules. More bureacracy and cost to the small farmer/rancher. Nasty Business how fast Veri-chip, Applied Digital Solutions, and Digital Angel are all becoming a household names.

Not good for Texas or anywhere else...

[PenultimateManStanding]

A lot of people deride globalism and free market capitalism in America without really understanding what it is. What it is is the reason why we get to use 25% of annual global energy production. See? No energy, no "service economy". I can't see why Kudlow can't see this. He thinks it's a sort of American Genius. More like a shell game propped up with petrodollars and narcotics cash and a global desperate search for safehavens to wealth.