[Falconoffury]

I pride myself on being hairy, liking beer, liking football, liking martial arts, and liking to shoot and kill animals for good meat, but it feels like the rest of society is against me these days. When did men in the USA turn into skinny, leg shaving, hair product using, mixed margarita drinking, pathetic excuses for evolution?

Is pollution turning men into women like in that one indian village (posted here a few months ago)?

How is the idea of masculinity faring in other countries?

[Wildwell]

Gone the same way here: But I'm more concerned about what happened to femininity?

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')eing hairy, liking beer, liking football, liking martial arts, and liking to shoot and kill animals for good meat

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', '.')..When did men in the USA turn into skinny, leg shaving, hair product using, mixed margarita drinking, pathetic excuses for evolution?...

[Schweinshaxe]

Football?

Well, football is actually serious men (or women - political correctness) playing chess on grass. You know, 11 men (or women - political correctness) in each team, a round ball and team names like Tottenham, Milan, Bayern Munchen, Arsenal and Millwall.

Not sweaty, hairy men who like to hug eachother in a steaming heap of homersexual luve.

Just an input from the European communist bastard perspective...

[UIUCstudent01]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'v')iolent video games, pornography

[Schweinshaxe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', '.')..When did men in the USA turn into skinny, leg shaving, hair product using, mixed margarita drinking, pathetic excuses for evolution?...

[kochevnik]

What Happened To Men

[lotrfan55345]

[PenultimateManStanding]

These things can best be understood by considering the role of the media that we have all been immersed in all of our lives. Movies, TV shows, magazines; that's where the whole drama has played out. William Powell playing the Thin Man in the Hollywood scene in the 30's used to prance about in a hip drunk manner with very feminine aspects to his act.

Then in the 60's Bob Dylan started a hair thing:

and there was a cumulative androgynizing effect which followed along with a neverending stream of lovely females. The result in the long run was that the female imagery proved more influential than male imagery. This has probably always been an inevitable result of the new media. It goes along with the decline of literacy in the young for some strange reason.

[Falconoffury]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')r it could be just a thinly-veiled resentful reaction to the way women are moving into areas of employment that were formerly thought of as the exclusive domain of men.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', ':')!:

What Happened To Men

[Schweinshaxe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hese things can best be understood by considering the role of the media that we have all been immersed in all of our lives. Movies, TV shows, magazines; that's where the whole drama has played out. William Powell playing the Thin Man in the Hollywood scene in the 30's used to prance about in a hip drunk manner with very feminine aspects to his act.

Then in the 60's Bob Dylan started a hair thing:

and there was a cumulative androgynizing effect which followed along with a neverending stream of lovely females. The result in the long run was that the female imagery proved more influential than male imagery. This has probably always been an inevitable result of the new media. It goes along with the decline of literacy in the young for some strange reason.

[Free]

It's just marketing.

Of course you sell more things if you convince somebody to turn into something else (via their products), than to stay what you are. No matter if that other thing is a pathetic tattooed muscle mountain or something that looks like one of those hairless cats.

Anyway I would define masculinity over other things than testosterone loaden stupidity, sorry to say that while I enjoy eating meat, drinking, not shaving, pornography and video games, I am not mixing machismo with masculinity.

Things like will, honor, creativity, self-reliability and responsibility. (not to say that women don't have these things, but well...)

[Aaron]

I think Tony Sporano said it best:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')owadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors, and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper? The strong, silent type. That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See, what they didn't know is once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings, that they wouldn't be able to shut him up.

[Dreamtwister]

I'll tell you what it is, and I know I'm going to get yelled at by every woman on the board.

It's women's lib.

You ladies screamed at the top of your lungs about how you wanted equality, but you didn't want equality, you wanted superiority. Now you have it. Men are AFRAID of acting like men because it's a one-way ticket to a sexual harassment suit.

You only "go out" with gay men. The straight men respond by becoming more feminine, and you have the nerve to complain that there are no straight men around.

You wear t-shirts with 4-inch high letters across your chest, inviting people to read them, then you get angry at men who actually stop to read them.

What did you think was going to happen?

[holmes]

The bloated red neck atvers and nascar are not men! They are hanging bellied oil dependent. part of the gynocracy. real men are lean, tough, educated, intelligent, strong semi silent types. They can carry a pack for miles on end. stamina. mental and pysically strong. protect their women. feminism movemnt is a form of control and social engineering. Another gestapo. Women today are a mess and confused as well as the men. Its all about keeping it simple. too complex. Many women today will never be happy. ever.
Gary Cooper now that is a man. Tony Soprano too.

[threadbear]

Tony Soprano is my worst nightmare. The idea of the guy walking past me, let alone touching me, makes me wince. He is the ape, the buffoon, the immoral thug, the no class Cretin, that media is normalizing to help explain the political thuguocracy the US is descending into.

The media is championing the coarse and uneducated, the end result of the dumming down process. But it goes one better by actually lionizing a stupid 'criminal'.

The collective unconscious of the American is publicaly resistant to the criminal element, but is playing along with it, privately and for pragmatic reasons, by watching Soprano. After all, it's a tough world we're entering, so crime is now being packaged as a career choice, for white people. This is no different than gangsta rap for blacks.

Soprano doesn't actually represent masculinity as much as immoral ity stupidity,gluttony and greed. They aren't synonymous. He's a one man embodiment of the seven deadly sins.

As far as women being attracted to gay men, it's because they are generally more refined, in tune and emotionally expressive. Many heterosexual men are becoming more like this, which is good for us and good for them. But is shouldn't be faked, as that is a turn off and the faker just builds up resentment towards his audience (women.) He feels he can never be himself.

Some women approach educated younger men from a defensive position. That's more appropriate to a different time, say the '50's or 60's and different class--blue collar (no formal or informal education).

[Grimnir]

Let us never forget the manly men of days gone by: