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We are broken...

Unread postby arocoun » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 12:29:27

Soon after I heard that San Fransisco passed a peak oil resolution, I thought peak oil would become much more mainstream. Maybe I'd read about it, or something like it, in the papers? Maybe I'd hear about it on the radio? Maybe I'd see them discussing it on the evening news? What happens? None of the above.

That got me wondering if even most of the people living in San Fransisco know about peak oil. Maybe only the very politically and socially active people there know about it. Hell, they might not even WANT the average person to know about peak oil, because I have recently come to an interesting conclusion about us peak-aware people.

We are broken.

Most humans--at least most humans these days--are semi-mindless drones. They do as they are told, and like it. They believe what they are raised to believe, and cling to those beliefs with their lives. They set boring-arsed routines for themselves, and faithfully follow those boring-arsed routines every day of their lives. Basically, the average human practically worships sameness.

We, however, are broken. We believe whatever proof shows us is true. We do what we need to survive and thrive. And, if we happen to believe or act differently from the rest, we don't really mind, usually.

And thus, the differences in our reactions to peak oil...

For us:
Step 1--Denial :lol:
Step 2--Acceptence :shock:
Step 3--Adjustment [smilie=icon_study.gif]
Step 4--Spread knowledge [smilie=profe.gif][smilie=eusa_snooty.gif]
Step 4.5--"Hey, I tried." :|
Step 5--Step cautiously forward into an uncertain future.

For them:
Step 1--"Hey, slow down! Now, what's this crude oil stuff again?" :?:
Step 2--Denial :lol:
Step 3--More denial :)
Step 4--"Don't worry, They will fix it." :roll:
Step 5--Nothing [smilie=car3.gif]
Step 6--"Look at those gas prices! Greedy executives!" :x
Step 7--More nothing [smilie=car3.gif]
Step 8--"Look at those gas prices! That peaking oil stuff might just be true..." :shock:
Step 9--More nothing, ad nauseam... [smilie=car3.gif]
Step 10--"Why can't I drive anymore? Or, for that matter, afford food?"

Something tells me, however, that after peak oil, we broken humans might outnumber the normal ones.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 12:33:54

That is really good, very clever if you don't mind my saying so. You did forget the anger part in ours though. First at the situation we are in, and then at the sheeple around us who don't want to get it or do anything about it.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 13:50:16

Freedom includes the freedom to be stupid.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby Free » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 17:01:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'F')reedom includes the freedom to be stupid.


But the freedom to be stupid ends there where somebody elses freedom to be clever begins.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 17:07:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'F')reedom includes the freedom to be stupid.


But the freedom to be stupid ends there where somebody elses freedom to be clever begins.


Obeying the law is as far as it goes I'm afraid. Responsibility for ones actions only applies as far as there is a law that applies.

Freedom is untidy, remember?

Perhaps "That's why they hate our freedoms".
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby Free » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 17:36:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'F')reedom includes the freedom to be stupid.


But the freedom to be stupid ends there where somebody elses freedom to be clever begins.


Obeying the law is as far as it goes I'm afraid. Responsibility for ones actions only applies as far as there is a law that applies.

Freedom is untidy, remember?

Perhaps "That's why they hate our freedoms".


Exactly, that's why the laws need to be changed. And it's happening, at least in some places.
Gas taxes, Kyoto protocol etc.

Now if the majority in other places prefers to be stupid - tough luck - for them (and only for them I hope...).
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby ChoKyOTO » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 17:50:35

*tears*
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby ashurbanipal » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 11:14:15

I tend to think that if the "prime directive" of an organism is to survive and ensure the survival of its group, then it's everyone else that's broken, not us.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby arocoun » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 12:47:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ashurbanipal', 'I') tend to think that if the "prime directive" of an organism is to survive and ensure the survival of its group, then it's everyone else that's broken, not us.


Hah! Good point.

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Regarding all this talk of freedom--I am definitely not against people's right to be stupid. I think people should have as little restriction on freedom as possible. Though I also agree that freedom should definitely end at other people's nose.

pstarr--I'm pretty sure by now that it really wouldn't matter who gets voted into presidency. The upper class and corporations are in charge either way. Not that elections are real anymore anyway, since with electronic voting it doesn't matter who you vote for since there are no ballots to count.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby Terran » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 01:38:44

As an attender of the oil meetings in SF, peak oil is getting closer to mainstream. In San Francisco, it is the city in the U.S with the highest level of peak oil awereness.
I remember at the yearly Green Fest, during all the peak oil prep workshops, there were so many people attending that there wasn't enough seats. Same with Richard Heinberg speech at the Green Fest, not enough seats, alot of people ended up standing up, but there still wasn't enough space.

This is also true with the other events, Julian Darley speech, around 200 people showed up for that one. There are quite a few people out there in the San Francisco Bay Area that knows about peak oil, its just a matter of if they want to do anything about it.

Post Carbon itself has over 400 people around here on their listserve. People around the Bay Area needs to start acting, instead of waiting for someone else to do that job.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby Doly » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 09:00:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terran', 'P')eople around the Bay Area needs to start acting, instead of waiting for someone else to do that job.


Great! Why don't YOU start it? There are a lot of things one can do at local level, including:

* Getting in touch with local businesses with recommendations about what to do to prepare for peak oil.

* Starting a series of articles in the local newspaper.

* Getting in touch with green groups and finding out how to collaborate in peak oil issues.

* Making a study on the possible consequences of peak oil in your area, along with some policy recommendations to avoid the worst.

* Actively promoting energy conservation locally in any shape.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby Falconoffury » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 10:24:28

Most people are dysfunctional at even recognizing the problems we face, much less doing anything about it. This post shows the typical consumer attitude. They care about only their own pathetic little lives, and believe that smart people out there will work out the solution. They don't realize that most of the smart people are stupid.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby Terran » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 02:02:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terran', 'P')eople around the Bay Area needs to start acting, instead of waiting for someone else to do that job.


Great! Why don't YOU start it? There are a lot of things one can do at local level, including:

* Getting in touch with local businesses with recommendations about what to do to prepare for peak oil.

* Starting a series of articles in the local newspaper.

* Getting in touch with green groups and finding out how to collaborate in peak oil issues.

* Making a study on the possible consequences of peak oil in your area, along with some policy recommendations to avoid the worst.

* Actively promoting energy conservation locally in any shape.


Done all A, B, D, E already, just need to start on C.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby Doly » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 08:59:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terran', '
')Done all A, B, D, E already, just need to start on C.


Great! I have been concentrating on C for the last two months and I've been truly surprised at the results.

I don't know what things will be like over San Francisco, but in my area (Brighton, UK), green groups are more or less aware of peak oil (with some surprising exceptions) but right now aren't doing much about it, mostly because of some strange feeling that it isn't exactly their business. With a bit of propping, they can be convinced to collaborate in peak oil campaigning, though. Not as green groups, but as individuals. A strange situation, but hey. There are some very useful people out there, they're just not moving.
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Re: We are broken...

Unread postby Terran » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 17:56:00

Agree,
A year ago, the Green Party, as well as the Sierra Club didn't even take peak oil seriously, they just dismissed it as a minor issue. Now they're starting to acknowledge it, and starting to do something about it.
Around here we have a really nice climate, nice warm summers with plenty of sunshine, and mild winters with rainfall. We rarely even need AC or heating. Maybe this explains why so many people are complacent and don't want to act.
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