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Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby Starvid » Sun 26 Mar 2006, 10:33:19

Or really, I went to four pubs which is why I have spent this entire day recuperating.

Anyway, at pub no. 2 I sat down with my beer next to two guys. One of them had a bunch of papers in front of him. It looked interesting so I asked him what they were. He picked up the topmost and told me it was his cv. Not very interesting. But the rest of the papers...!

It was a peak oil power point presentation.

Fancy that.

I go to a random pub and sit down next to some random guys. And they have a bunch of PO papers.

Ladies and gentlemen, the peak oil meme is spreading!

Fast. 8)
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Re: Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby clv101 » Sun 26 Mar 2006, 11:45:20

Did the conversation go any further? What did they think of peak oil?
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Re: Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby Starvid » Sun 26 Mar 2006, 14:15:09

They were pretty pessimistic and didn't see any way out.

That was, of course, before I told them about electric cars and the breakthorugh in battery technology. 8)

They worried especially over food production, as one of them was an engineer student and had some worries over the centralization of dairy factories, which has been made possible only through cheap transportation.
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Re: Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby venky » Sun 26 Mar 2006, 17:48:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'O')r really, I went to four pubs which is why I have spent this entire day recuperating.

Anyway, at pub no. 2 I sat down with my beer next to two guys. One of them had a bunch of papers in front of him. It looked interesting so I asked him what they were. He picked up the topmost and told me it was his cv. Not very interesting. But the rest of the papers...!

It was a peak oil power point presentation.

Fancy that.

I go to a random pub and sit down next to some random guys. And they have a bunch of PO papers.

Ladies and gentlemen, the peak oil meme is spreading!

Fast. 8)



Perhaps it was just chance, randomness you know :)

I caught one guy reading Matt Savinar's book on a bus, ofcourse he was pretty freaked out, and seemed to think I was an idiot for my cautious optimism. Besides that all of my friends are still on good income, a house in the suburbs, what car to buy after they graduate etc, etc.

Agreed more people are getting serious about energy issues, though I still think that we are far from the critical mass that is required before we see serious change.
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Re: Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby Novus » Sun 26 Mar 2006, 18:57:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '
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Perhaps it was just chance, randomness you know :)

I caught one guy reading Matt Savinar's book on a bus, ofcourse he was pretty freaked out, and seemed to think I was an idiot for my cautious optimism. Besides that all of my friends are still on good income, a house in the suburbs, what car to buy after they graduate etc, etc.

Agreed more people are getting serious about energy issues, though I still think that we are far from the critical mass that is required before we see serious change.


How can you be cautiously optimistic and be expecting serious change? These two ideas are incompatable. Being optimistic in any way implys more or less that change is not really needed. Can we continue doing things just the way things are going now? Such beliefs as: "I am cautiously optimistic a new technology will save us but for me there is nothing I can do," are really quite dangerous. Take Starvid's "battery breaktrough," does that mean Joe Six Pack doesn't have to give up his 50 mile daily commutes work and weekly trips to the Wal-mart for consumables? Even cautiously optimistic ideas such as these keep society moving in the wrong direction and ever closer to that PO induced societal collapse.

We need people to stop looking to pie in the sky solutions and start thinking about changing their lifestyles right now. It is the only way "Serious change" will ever happen. PO is like a massive Tusnami that is heading right for us. We are given a choice to either stay where we are or run like hell to higher ground. There is no room for being cautiously optimistic. You are either going to run or stay where you are. So what say you: are you running or staying?
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Re: Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby venky » Sun 26 Mar 2006, 21:55:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '
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Perhaps it was just chance, randomness you know :)

I caught one guy reading Matt Savinar's book on a bus, ofcourse he was pretty freaked out, and seemed to think I was an idiot for my cautious optimism. Besides that all of my friends are still on good income, a house in the suburbs, what car to buy after they graduate etc, etc.

Agreed more people are getting serious about energy issues, though I still think that we are far from the critical mass that is required before we see serious change.


How can you be cautiously optimistic and be expecting serious change? These two ideas are incompatable. Being optimistic in any way implys more or less that change is not really needed. Can we continue doing things just the way things are going now? Such beliefs as: "I am cautiously optimistic a new technology will save us but for me there is nothing I can do," are really quite dangerous. Take Starvid's "battery breaktrough," does that mean Joe Six Pack doesn't have to give up his 50 mile daily commutes work and weekly trips to the Wal-mart for consumables? Even cautiously optimistic ideas such as these keep society moving in the wrong direction and ever closer to that PO induced societal collapse.

We need people to stop looking to pie in the sky solutions and start thinking about changing their lifestyles right now. It is the only way "Serious change" will ever happen. PO is like a massive Tusnami that is heading right for us. We are given a choice to either stay where we are or run like hell to higher ground. There is no room for being cautiously optimistic. You are either going to run or stay where you are. So what say you: are you running or staying?


I think I'll stay on board and take my chances, the water is freezing and there aren't enough life boats. :) The airtight cabins might keep us afloat.

But seriously, I think compared to the scenario that Matt Savinar describes, most people on this board would describe themselves as cautiously optimistic. By serious change, I mean a massive rethink in the way we live, a total reallocation of resources towards developing alternatives. Yes, Joe Six pack will probably have to move closer to his work. The technology does exist, its mostly a question of scale and investment rather than new breakthroughs, not to mention time, I believe a couple of decades or so.

Ofcourse the problem is that I dont see anything like this happening until is undeniably clear that oil production is in terminal decline. But I am cautiously optimistic that we will be able to change our course once that happens before it is too late. Not that I am under any illusions that it will be smooth or painless, an economic crisis, etc.
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Re: Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby jaws » Mon 27 Mar 2006, 02:35:03

Yep, Peak Oil is mainstream now, and there aren't hordes of starving suburbanites marching to D.C. to burn down the White House.

So what's the plan then?
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Re: Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby EnergySpin » Mon 27 Mar 2006, 11:27:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'T')hey were pretty pessimistic and didn't see any way out.

That was, of course, before I told them about electric cars and the breakthorugh in battery technology. 8)

They worried especially over food production, as one of them was an engineer student and had some worries over the centralization of dairy factories, which has been made possible only through cheap transportation.

Tell them about fertilizers too ... provide a reference to the AMMONIA THREAD at POCOM :roll:
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Re: Yesterday I went to the pub

Unread postby Falconoffury » Mon 27 Mar 2006, 11:39:37

Venky, it sounds like you won't be making any changes in your life but expect everyone around you to change to suit you.

Honestly, if one does not change, then I don't see how one can believe that the rest of the world will change. If one thinks that peak oil requires change, then shouldn't anyone expecting to survive become part of that change?
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