[Aimrehtopyh]

Crank.net is a very good site, with the exception of this.

http://www.crank.net/apocalypse.html

I disagree with their decision to put Peak Oil theorists like outselves in the same category as the Time Cube guy or alien abductees. You must admit that the writing on the front page of oilcrash.com is far from perfect, but mediocre writing doesn't mean you're a crank.

[gego]

Look at such condemnations as beneficial to your own survival.

Those who feel invunerable right up to the end will not have a chance, hence you have a better chance to be closer to the lifeboat.

Now, Mind of Mencia is on cable, so bye.

[OilBurner]

I believe they are making the distinction between Peal Oil "theorists" and Die Off adherents. There’s a big difference between the two, with many people falling into both camps. That doesn’t make it the same thing.

If they put ASPO up as cranks then we know they have their head stuck up their behinds, otherwise I think they may have a fair point as far as OilCrash.com goes...

[killJOY]

By what rights to the authors of such sites proclaim things "cranky"?

They speak ex cathedra.

They're probably among the most dogmatic people on the planet.

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'I') believe they are making the distinction between Peal Oil "theorists" and Die Off adherents. There’s a big difference between the two, with many people falling into both camps. That doesn’t make it the same thing.

If they put ASPO up as cranks then we know they have their head stuck up their behinds, otherwise I think they may have a fair point as far as OilCrash.com goes...

[seahorse2]

Energyspin,

If I have to salt something to make it palatable, I don't eat it.

[OilBurner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '
')I disagree about ASPO: they have repeatedly published rascist pieces in their newsletters

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

I've never seen anything even remotley racist from ASPO.

As usual with this sort of crap there's precisley ZERO credable rebuttals from this site. Fucking idiots.

[julianj]

I was rather disappointed with Crank.net. Bit pedestrian.

Parts of this site way out-crank them. I should hope so too - with the concentrated left-fieldness we can muster

FYI - EnergySpin is referring to William Stanton - now there's a crank's crank - who has been published 3 times I think in the ASPO newsletter,out of 689 stories so far (Mar 06 No. 63). So I don't think ASPO is racist or kooky in general.

If you want to read all the Stanton debunked thread, use the search facility.

But as a service to our readers, in the manner of the Guardian, I will give you the ultra digested version of William Stanton's ideas:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ecause of Peak Oil: the UK population must be reduced to four people, preferably using euthanasia for the eugenically challenged, and the death penalty for more or less everyone who parks on a double yellow line, and nuclear weapons on population centres - it sounds drastic, but its humane really. Then the UK population: me, my dog, and 3 nubile women, will live in a wood-powered utopia.

[eastbay]

Oh c'mon now... heh...

A charge of 'racist' no longer has much meaning and is generally and widely ignored these days. Funny how words once holding such power become largely depleted of meaning over time from severe overuse. I remember in the 90's the word was used so often it seemed everyone (White) was a 'racist'... lol.

In fact, using such words immediately lowers the credibility of the writers argument because it's generally assumed that accusation has no validity.

I may have mentioned this once before, but when I hear it (read it) I always smile because I'm reminded of the scene from Invasion of the Body Snatchers when Donald Sutherlin points and starts that rediculous scream when he spots someone not-yet-snatched.

[MyOtherID]

Reading this site, I see that EnergySpin uses the pejorative "rascist"(sic) frequently. Nobody call him on that yet?

[EnergySpin]

Well, If you want to read racism then you'd better start with the Stanton piece last year published in the ASPO newsletter (I believe the link is the following: http://www.peakoil.ie/newsletters/588).
We had a big fuss about it at this forum, so newbies like MyOtherID should use the search button more often.
After you search this forum for my alias+Stanton, you may want other blogs as well:
http://peakoiloptimist.blogspot.com/200 ... cists.html
Since newbies were not here last May, when the British Nationalist Party tried to sell us our solution to Peak Oil, they could search this forum for my name and BNP OR "EnergySpin AND Nationalist", or read what BNP had to say about the matter:
http://www.bnp.org.uk/peakoil/index.htm

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('julianj', '
')FYI - EnergySpin is referring to William Stanton - now there's a crank's crank - who has been published 3 times I think in the ASPO newsletter,out of 689 stories so far (Mar 06 No. 63). So I don't think ASPO is racist or kooky in general.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', 'A')lternatives DO exist, in the form of nuclear power and (mainly) wind power generation (strike out coal,NG), and carbon neutral liquid fuel cycles based on cellulosic ethanol and methanol,biodiesel (strike out gasoline) which coupled with certain cultural changes can sustain a population double the current size for a few thousand millenia/million years.

[Leanan]

I think we're in overshoot. This is simply not sustainable:



And I don't think it's "racist" to say so.

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '
')
I think "double" is far too optimistic. I have been reading on the subject of carrying capacity, and the greatest experts agree that it's difficult, if not impossible, to estimate. However, looking at the available evidence, it seems likely that we are approaching that carrying capacity, which means that adding as many people as we have now is not a possibility, certainly not in sustainable terms. Perhaps as much as a 50% population increase is possible, but I wouldn't bet on anything more than that.

[datapencil]

Really all it takes to prove that oil will peak is to look around us. Every day I walk through my traffic congested neighbourhood and city. I imagine that just in my small little corner of the world I see literally thousands of vehicles a day. Then I imagine that on a world wide scale, all day. all night.

Cars a just part of it. Agriculture, electricity, plastics - Everything we do consumes oil.

The only crankpot idea is that we will never run out of oil. Unless there is a bunch of tiny little trolls underground reproducing the stuff by millions of barrels a day - then we are going to run out!

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

Really all it takes to prove that oil will peak is to look around us

Thank God someone with a pair of eyes. Nice post.

[No-Oil]

EnergySpin, Get a life. RACISM is a fact of life, everyone is RACIST whether they know it or not. Do you have a skin colour, must have as you post on here, do you have an accent ? Well when the "brown smelly stuff hits the rotary oscilator" your skin colour & accent will dictate how & or why you survive or not.

Does the world still have NATIONAL boundaries, funny in a RACIST free world don't you think. People being deliniated as German, American, Chinese etc is underlying RACISM. Are the Americans at war in Iraq or the desert ? Are they fighting Iraqi insurgents or just insurgents ?! Get the idea. The WW2 Holocaust has been the banner add for anti-rascism & governments worked out long ago that by supressing racism, they can get more productivity & hence more PROFIT. The fact that the Anti-Racists have become racists by attacking & destroying anyone that has a FREE choice right to disagree with the liberal political crap that you can't be racist because its not PC !

The world went PC crazy in the 90's & now as expected is rebelling against the stupid laws implemented during that mad time. In the UK for instance their is a non white population of 7%, but certain laws require companies to show evidence or employee counts of non whites (I use that term to encompass all others in one block) higher than the national 7% population density ! That is RACISM against white people, by white people, without them even realising it. There are numerous reports at the moment of Police forces turning away applicants because they were white & they are short on recruitment targets of the number of non-whites required by government regulations ! Even when the non-whites are not applying.

Work it out, when the fighting starts, people stick with there own. From my own experience, the non-whites are the most racist against other non-whites, far more so than they are against whites. That all stems from their past history with each other, long before the white man got involved & they are still having those wars when they get half a chance !

RACISM was one of the first & will be one of the last human traits before humans cease to exist. FACT not fiction, unlike the panacia of a "world at peace" that the liberal loonies think they can manufacture.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it needed to be said.

No-Oil.

[SHiFTY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('datapencil', 'R')eally all it takes to prove that oil will peak is to look around us. Every day I walk through my traffic congested neighbourhood and city. I imagine that just in my small little corner of the world I see literally thousands of vehicles a day. Then I imagine that on a world wide scale, all day. all night.