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THE Privacy in the US Thread (merged)

Unread postby arretium » Sat 04 Mar 2006, 05:29:27

Pay too much and you could raise the alarm By BOB KERR, The Providence Journal, 28-FEB-06
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.

So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not local.

And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail." He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.

What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that "everything changed after 9/11" thing.

But not Walter. "We're a product of the '60s," he said. "We believe government should be way away from us in that regard." He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would say makes good, solid financial sense.

They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a large payment, a check for $6,522. And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior was found questionable. And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a suspected terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a machine gun through customs.

They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.

After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed. So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter called. "When you mess with my money, I want to know why," he said.

They both learned the same astounding piece of information about the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking. They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified. And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.

Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties Union and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could learn. He learned about changes in something called the Bank Privacy Act. "The more I'm on, the scarier it gets," he said. "It's scary how easily someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy."

Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges were apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under the guise of paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a large credit card payment can pose a security threat.

But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost. "If it can happen to me, it can happen to others," he said.

(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail bkerr@projo.com.)
(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, http://www.shns.com.)
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Re: No Privacy In America -- And Don't pay your bills...

Unread postby rogerhb » Sat 04 Mar 2006, 05:36:01

Yeah, well the TPTB want to know who the people are who are able to get out of debt. They get to become the "freemen" rather than the "serfs".
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Re: No Privacy In America -- And Don't pay your bills...

Unread postby Kickinthegob » Sat 04 Mar 2006, 16:02:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey both learned the same astounding piece of information about the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking.

I almost laughed at that!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost.

Heh, don't worry Mr Solid Middle-of-the-road-America - you will surrender the big pieces later. Now stand still while we tatoo this barcode into your forehead! 8O
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Re: No Privacy In America -- And Don't pay your bills...

Unread postby Magus » Sat 04 Mar 2006, 18:22:05

I believe this story has been posted elsewhere on this forum.

That doesn't change how outrageous it is, however. How much longer will it be before Bush executes Order 66, I wonder?
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Privacy protection in the United States

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 13:50:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('article', 't')he U.S. is on par with countries like China, Russia and Malaysia.
No weeping required. We are in amongst our peers, as one should expect.
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Re: US near bottom in ranking of privacy protections

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 14:20:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'W')e are in amongst our peers


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('article', 'M')alaysia.


Sorry, I know what you are trying to say, but someone had to mention this one. :lol:
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Re: US near bottom in ranking of privacy protections

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 14:26:46

Ok, so maybe the last one is a bit of a stretch.

They probably wouldn't care for being compared with us.
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Re: US near bottom in ranking of privacy protections

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 15:28:09

Man, that PI chart sure leaves alot unsaid......Do they have a detailed description of the categories?
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Re: US near bottom in ranking of privacy protections

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 17:49:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'M')an, that PI chart sure leaves alot unsaid......Do they have a detailed description of the categories?


Yeah such things are bound to have some glossy areas. But I think the question they are tackling is legitimate and I don't see any reason to doubt that our fears after 9/11 have been twisted into a forfeiture of freedom.


We've been losing freedoms since the 30's when the gangsters were running the streets. So losing our freedoms is nothing new.

In regards to the graph from the article....What the hell is "leadership". Thats a 100% opinionated poll which allows the makers to skew the results as they see fit. And what about "Constituional Protections"? We have one of the best Constitutions ever laid to paper, and we rank a 3 with it? I have to assume then that column isnt about the actual Constitutions but rather how ther are applied in todays terms, but again, I dont know.

While an interesting article, it still leaves alot of questions unanswered.
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