[PenultimateManStanding]

Was about 40 years ago they did away with paddling kids in school who misbehave wasn't it? Looks what's happened: discipline has suffered a broad retreat and learning with it. Some kids just won't do right unless they worry about something bad that will happen to them as a result. My friend Arturo has a son about the same age as mine in high school and his son tells him of the games the kids play at school to get the teachers mad. All kinds of subtle ingenious torments of the hapless teachers who are forced to get angry and then the kids win glory and the esteem of their classmates. I've been working at this problem for 13 years now and have developed my own techniques. The idea is to be the one in control of oneself, but to have it be uncertain and doubtful in their minds. You have to be something they haven't seen before, and use some tricks they don't know about. I described one such event in the mayate thread so I won't retell it here. But the point is that in the old days, when a kid could get paddled, it wasn't so neccessary to develop such strategems. The efforts of the teacher could be focused on the subject instead of mindgames with the kids. So many things in this society started with good intentions and led to bad results. Eliminating corporal punishment is not neccessarily a good idea. I think the reason for that change and for many others was the spread of ideas in psychological and pedagogic circles about the so-called "authoritarian personality". It was part of a broad and profound reaction to the Nazi phenomenon. My guess is the the liberalization of pornography statutes in the 60s was a result of the same process: better let the masses blow off steam or they will follow another Hitler.

[jaws]

Children are imprisoned in schools they hate against their will and that of their parents. It should come as absolutely no surprise that what emerges is a prison culture.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', 'C')hildren are imprisoned in schools they hate against their will and that of their parents. It should come as absolutely no surprise that what emerges is a prison culture.

[rogerhb]

[quote="jaws"]Children are imprisoned in schools they hate against their will and that of their parents.[quote]

That sentance should have started with "Some ".

How many parents can teach their kids at home while they go to work?

[jaws]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', 'C')hildren are imprisoned in schools they hate against their will and that of their parents.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
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That sentance should have started with "Some ".

How many parents can teach their kids at home while they go to work?

[AmericanEmpire]

We should be able to whip the little bastards back into line. They should be being toughened up and readied for a life of slavery post peak oil. Not pampered like they are now.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'W')e should be able to whip the little bastards back into line. They should be being toughened up and readied for a life of slavery post peak oil. Not pampered like they are now.

[Aaron]

As a 41 year old who was paddled well into highschool, I have to say it has not been so long ago as Penn stated.

All feminine compassion aside, back then it took some careful consideration before deciding to risk doing something that was punishable by pain.

And it was pain...

It's a brutal practice I have found unnecessary in my own parenting. But I can tell you I have met a few kids I think qualify.

Better that, than the truly brutal ass-kicking they'll get acting like that as adults I think.

As we surge headfirst into this Gynocracy of western culture, we are removing the mechanisms which channeled the mostly young male need to express the violence of their natures.

So no big surprise then, that our youth culture seems increasingly violent.

In today's world of politically correct, pussified institutions, which cater to the entitlement driven, soccer-mom mentality, I fully expect the disenfranchised youth we have abandoned to visit their angst upon society with ever increasing anger and violence.

[duke3522]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'A')s a 41 year old who was paddled well into highschool, I have to say it has not been so long ago as Penn stated.

All feminine compassion aside, back then it took some careful consideration before deciding to risk doing something that was punishable by pain.

And it was pain...

It's a brutal practice I have found unnecessary in my own parenting. But I can tell you I have met a few kids I think qualify.

Better that, than the truly brutal ass-kicking they'll get acting like that as adults I think.

As we surge headfirst into this Gynocracy of western culture, we are removing the mechanisms which channeled the mostly young male need to express the violence of their natures.

So no big surprise then, that our youth culture seems increasingly violent.

In today's world of politically correct, pussified institutions, which cater to the entitlement driven, soccer-mom mentality, I fully expect the disenfranchised youth we have abandoned to visit their angst upon society with ever increasing anger and violence.

[Roy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ynocracy

[Schweinshaxe]

What was it Gunnery Sergeant Hartman said in Full Metal Jacket? "The more you hate me, the more you will learn".

As we all know, the reason children are sent to school is so that both their parents can go to work. School is just a continuation of Kindergarten until you're 18-20 years old and is ready to join the rat race.

The socialists and corporate capitalists have destroyed the "Family". Your children smoke crack in school and your mother starve to death in the nursing home in a bed filled with her own shit.

You sit in front of the TV-set and eat fat and think you're happy.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schweinshaxe', 'W')hat was it Gunnery Sergeant Hartman said in Full Metal Jacket? "The more you hate me, the more you will learn".

[Aedo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', 'W')hen I got a paddling at school, it was certain to be worse when I got home.

[PrairieMule]

Very very rarely do I ever have to spank my daughters. It's only after they have recieved warnings and reciprocated with defiance or sneakyness. Once my oldest asked if she could have a cookie and I told her no because she did not eat her dinner. A few moments later I hear crinkling plastic and I hollar ""You had better not be in those cookies". I tuned around to see a little midget run fast into the dining room out of sight. Can't let this one go. I found her in the dining room with two fistfulls of cookies. "Daddy said no cookies" Spank! Once its over it's over, go child and sin no more. I picked her up and reassured her I still loved her and I get upset when she lies and tries to be sneaky. That was 2 years ago and I have not had to spank her since.

On the flip side you can spank to much. My dad gave me a lick with his belt if I cut up in class and got in trouble. What he did not anticipate when he gave me Norman Vincent Peale's "The Power Of Positive Thinking" to read is that I would apply those techniques to minimize the belt's sting. Every time I got swatted I would say "I can do all things through Christ whom strenghens me" or "No weapon against me shall prosper". This in turn just made the belt less effective and me more defiant. It also made me tough in a fight, because I learned to shrug off pain with the power of positive thinking.

[rakovsky]

There is a disconnect between perceptions of school violence and reality. A CNN article reports that school crime is at a thirty year low, and has halved in the last ten years.

"Scool Crime on Decline, Report Says."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/10/24 ... index.html

"School Crime Rate Cut in half Over ten Years."
www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/11/21/schools.crime.ap

What has happened, is a rise in perceptions of school violence, triggered by school shootings. Interestingly, the majority of school shootings occur in states that allow beatings at school. In fact, both the first, and the most recent shootings are suspected of being the result of beatings.

At Jonesboro Arkansas, the shooters were beaten in front of their class the day before. In jacksboro, Tennessee, which also frequently beats students, the young person made the statement "If I go to that office again, someone is going to pay."

On the flip side, my parents and grandparents went to public schools in rural New Jersey where there was no hitting allowed. Their classrooms were not more dangerous than schools in other places at the time. But they do say there is more cursing today, which my father blames on the media and on movies. Movies at the time didn't have much cursing, but they do now, so kids pick it up from there.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rakovsky', '"')Scool Crime on Decline, Report Says."

[J-Rod]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')as about 40 years ago they did away with paddling kids in school who misbehave wasn't it?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('J-Rod', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')as about 40 years ago they did away with paddling kids in school who misbehave wasn't it?

[SinisterBlueCat]

I do not think the problems of the younger generation are a result of not enough punishment, but rather a lack of consistant, fair, firm and loving upbringing by parents that have a vested interest in seeing their offspring become responsible adults.

To many parents when asked what they want for their children when they grow up do not say things like I want them to be responsible adults, or a productive and supportive member of the society they live in...no, they say stupid things like, I want them to be happy. Happy? what the hell does that mean?

[Antimatter]

Screw that! I vote for capital punishment of schoolkids.