[jaws]

I want to know what peakoilers think of this. Is there a natural human right to secede from an oppressive government and establish a new government for protection?

[seahorse]

Isn't this what the Declaration of Independence says?

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Kugelmugel is a micronation located in Vienna, Austria.

In 1984, the artist Edwin Lipburger built a ball-shaped house with a barbed-wire fence around it on a small plot in the Vienna Prater and declared its independence as the Republic of Kugelmugel (the name referring to the shape).

The only address within the proclaimed Republic is "2, Antifaschismusplatz" (2, Anti-Fascism Square, 2 refers to the 2nd district Leopoldstadt), and the founder is one of the 389 citizens. He refused to pay taxes to the Austrian government and began to print his own stamps, for which he received a prison sentence in court. Only a pardon by the Austrian President saved him from going to jail.

As Kugelmugel came to be quite well-known in the public, it also became a tourist attraction of Vienna.

[peaker_2005]

There's a couple of examples of it here in Australia. Basically, the law is that if the Government ignores the notice of secesssion for 9 years, the secession is considered legal.

A few people have hence successfully managed to secede.

[jaws]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'I')sn't this what the Declaration of Independence says?

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', '
')So jaws, there is no excuse to not walk the talk, and we will visit you in Gitmo!

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'W')hat was that Mao quote again, something that the law comes out of the barrel of a gun?

[Trab]

I believe the issue of whether states have the right to secede was settled between 1861 and 1865...

[smallpoxgirl]

I think there are two different questions there: Having a right is a moral/ethical issue. Having the ability to freely excercise a right is a political/military issue.

I would argue that you do in fact have a right to secession.

I doubt seriously that you have any ability to freely excercise that right.

So even though you have the right, it is currently being completely infringed by your government.

[k_semler]

Yes you do. Just prepare for war. The CSA may have been ambivolent enough to let WV leave with no problems, but when the CSA wanted to seceede from the USA, the Civil War broke out. So yes you have the right. You better be prepared to fight for that right to the death though. Freedom is NOT free!!

[jaws]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'S')o even though you have the right, it is currently being completely infringed by your government.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', 'I') want to know what peakoilers think of this. Is there a natural human right to secede from an oppressive government and establish a new government for protection?

[Specop_007]

Why seccede? Just overthrow the governmnet.
Question of the night. When was the last time American people had an armed revolution to overthrew the governmnet (local, state or federal)?

The answer might suprise you......





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Revolt in Athens, Tennessee!
20 People Wounded
14 Autos Overturned, and Burned at Town Square
Jail Under Seize 8 hours
Sheriff, Senator & Others Flee County

Athens, Tennessee: The uprising was led by ex-GIs recently returned from battle, to discover dishonest election tactics and corrupt and crooked local government. Having seen first-hand, Tennessee blood spilled and Tennessee lives lost in the battle for freedom, these patriotic veterans weren't about to knuckle under to the special interests. Certain insiders, for their own profit and benefit, had taken control of the small community of Athens, a town of about 7600 people.

The violence started on election day when a poll watcher was attacked and thrown through a glass door. The town folks, already agitated, became incensed. They went home and returned with pistols, shotguns and whatever weapons they could lay their hands on. The incumbents and "insiders" had recruited extra deputies from neighboring cities and counties but they were no match for the now armed and angry citizens of McMinn County. Sheriff Pat Mansfield and State Senator Paul Cantrell, along with others, fled the scene. Twenty-five deputys retreated to the jail which was surrounded and fired upon by the civillian army.

At 4:00 A.M. the next morning, the "25" surrendered their arms and came out with hands up. Although a cry went up to "hang 'em", cooler heads prevailed. The "25" were taken to the edge of town, stripped naked and told not to come back.

The upshot was the incumbent and "insider-clique" were out. The slate backed by the citizens and supported by the GI patriots was officially certified victorious by State authorities in Nashville.

Thus, a new sheriff, trustee, register of deeds, circuit court clerk and county court clerk were seated (3 Democrats, 2 Republicans). All were new, all were honest and freely elected. The year was 1946. In 1948, a city council / county commission form of government, one of the first in the state of Tennessee was created. Athens prospered and grew and today has more than doubled in population.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'Q')uestion of the night. When was the last time American people had an armed revolution to overthrew the governmnet (local, state or federal)?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'Q')uestion of the night. When was the last time American people had an armed revolution to overthrew the governmnet (local, state or federal)?

[k_semler]

@Specop_007:

I bring to you these incidents:













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