1 million barrels of oil = 42 million gallons
Olympic swimming pool (25m * 50m * 2m) = 3,125,001 liters = 825 537.924 US gallons
picture here: http://www.slocity.org/publicworks/imag ... /pool2.jpg
42 million gallons / 825 537.924 = 50.8759183 swimming pools
Daily use = 50.8759183 * 84 = 4,273.5 pools
...or a wall of oil about 5.34 sq kilometers (2.06 sq. miles) and 2 meters (6.56 feet) high.
25m * 50m * 4,273.5 pools = 5,341,875 sq meters
last year (~84 mbpd) we used enough oil to cover 751.9 square miles in 6.5 feet of oil.
1,000,000,000,000 (trillion) barrels would fill 50,875,918.33 olympic swimming pools and cover 63,594,897.91 sq kilometers in 2 meters (24,554,127.4 sq miles in 6.5 feet) of oil, about 7 times the land area of the United States (including Alaska and Hawaii), or about half the land surface of the earth in 6.5 feet feet of oil.
Just some back of the envelope calculations that we might find interesting.
Sources:
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/Jef ... bert.shtml
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.shtml
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/DanielChen.shtml
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by turmoil » Wed 25 Jan 2006, 14:46:28
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by grabby » Wed 25 Jan 2006, 16:19:03
OO WOW. This proves there really WAS a boat!
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Or 1 trillion barrels of oil will cover the whole world in 1 yard deep of oil.
Or, if you took all the water in the oceans and moved them underground into huge interlaced aquifers, leaving dry land and a few rivers and lakes, the land mass would be 10 times more than the area we have now.
and the 1 trillion barrels of oil would cover this larger earth area without oceans to a depth of 3-4 inches. The water would be underground in huge aquifers. The grand canyon is one of the few exposed aquifers that collapsed we can see.
On the way to Las Vegas you can see huger plates tipped and pointing into the earth and then great ravins that used to be these underground collapsed aquifers.
Some aqufers STILL EXIST and we get water out of them for drinking. This is the purest water you can get today to drink. Very good water.
anyway if the whole earth was thick with vegetation (It was totally tropical due to a vapor cloud that used to cover the earth above 25 mile altitude.
prior to the meteors. Interestingly this would be similar to the amount of matter existant on this ocean-less world at one time.
(If there were no observable oceans and if we put the water all back into the ground)
But if something hit the earth and ripped a hole the size of the pacific basin and atlantic basin and maybe smaller chunk made the indian ocean, broke the aquifers and released much water, and all of it suddenly buried and wiped out all vegetation to the depth of 1 cubit above the highest mountains,
Hey, then more asteroids like in OREGON and china sea etc hits the planet and ruptures the aquifers and wipes out the dinosours and floods the earth and the relulting rain would create huge huricanes for 40 days and nights.
When the big broken up asteroids hit the earth, the shock wave was transmitted through the interconnected aquivers cause each one to rupture upward. This would look like FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP shooting up at supersonic speeds right out of the ground all around the earth, totally flooding everything with no runoff as of yet (Untill the oceans settle in a few months.)
this would cause enourmous rain and clooudbursts, ice and hail (sub orbital ice formed)
Ok now the underground aquifers are EMPTY all the water was forced out, as the water swirls and runs back down and carries tons of trees and animals into these deep holes up to 2-3 miles deep aquifers, and over the nex few months the tsunamis cover the tops with layers of rocks and mud. now you have packed aquifers with dead material under high pressure and heat from compression and from lava (Coming up through the crust, all at superheated steam tem under ground then this tuff cooks for years and corbonifies till it finally cools. This turns to oil high pressure and deep and high temp mixed with water to crack lime from the earth and heat (Just exactly like we make biodiesel today in just 24 hours
24 hours toady, then
24 hours yeasterday only in larger underground batches.
(Cedar trees make the sweetest oil probably)
and by some sudden great gushes of water and layers of mud hundreds of feet thick over and over, huge tsunamis roll round and round over the earth multiple times as the earth crust cracked and moved, and lave boils the fountains. earthquakes buried all this stuff from yards to miles deep,.
This is the oil.
Then from the weight of the redistributed water, and the cracked crust, the ocean collapsed and settled a few miles and all the water suddenly ran off the continents across them into the pacific (Gouging out the grand canyon and the mud deposited as panhandle of mexico (it lines up) and across the east coast forming Florida, and likewise on other continents,
ripping and tearing and exposing caverns and valleys and forming channels like the missisipi and all the other rivers too.
At the same time much mud is falling world wide, the trillions of tons of earth shot into the air on either side of brazil (pacific and atlantic) came down and covered tons and tons of vegetation, and many rocks were blown into the air completely cover every square inch of land ot a depth of yards to miles. most of the thick forested trees grew at the equater in Brazil and in Iran area, and these get washed into the deep aquifers.
this would be an event athat could suddenly crate all that pressurized vegetation.
The heat comes from the lava boiling up underneath but the steam has no where to go but into the limestone and all is covered by suffocating mud that holds in the heat.
Then as the water settled into the basins, all warmed by the temperatufre of the earth, there were very hot oceans with huge hurricanes and winds, the rest of the sediment, trees and bloated floating animals animals settled into low valleys and the water ran off slowly and the flaot into the valleys and rest. the ocean (Temp around 105 degrees now from the lava) forms enourmous hurricanes of speed 350 mph that totally takes all the tops off the mountains and fills the valleys leveling the land with the average depth of 1/2 mile dirt burying these valleys some more and some less. these are the coal veins that will develop. as they are covered the heat traps and cooks the trees to su[perheated steam and they carbonify.
and the huge winds blew the dirt off neighboring mountains to cover all the vegetation raising the pressure higher and higher in the valleys forming pockets of vegetation covered by silt and mud. The wind also blows the trees up against mountains then covered them, so they end up lying next to sold rock and up against elevations, which is why geological formations aometimess look similar where oil is now found.
Sand stone is pressurized into rock and mud is cooked into hard rack, these areas are where heat from lava touches them, and they are areas more likly converted to coal and oil.
Pretty exciting movie. Meanwhile the boat happens to be on the OTHER side of the planned but it gets wickedly thrown around and nearly capsizes.
A process somewhat like that could have made the exact amount of oil we have now, One complete planet cycle of vegetation all at once buried would match the trillion barrels to within an order of magnitude.
AFter some months the stress of the earth and the then the setlling ocean basins under enourmous forces pushed against cracked plates and began the slow movement that continues today .
It ended up holding most of the water, leaving the land mass we have now exposed for life.
hey, this would make a great movie.
But there is a guy who was warned to built a boat....
pretty cool.
Maybe there WAS a huge flood afterall.
Pretty interesting.
I always wondered how trees turn into oil, the ones I see always rot into powder and never make any oil, same with dead animals, they rot away and turn to dust, but if the whole world would suddenly be buried in a hge flood it would make just the exact oil that we seem to have available now.
Very interesting post, Thanks, it makes sense now, to make oil things have to be buried quickly and deeply all at once or in a maktter of a few weeks they rot away with nothing left.
A corpse is totally gone in 4 months if left to the air, oil can't form that way. Bugs eat the carcass.
This makes more sense than for some time back when trees fell they turned to oil and went underground and then for some reason they stopped turning to oil, because we know for a fact that doesn't happen anymore. (Never has)
ANyway it would make a great movie, it has action, drama and world destruction, with redemption, all in one.
We could have Charlton Heston as Moses and Catherine hepburn as his wife. Pixar could do it.
Trees just laying there and turning to oil and coal over THOUSANDS OF YEARS is impossible. Go to yellowstone, they are all laying around turning to rotten sawdust, there isn't any oil in yellowstone. The animals you hit on the road by next weak are dried out and not a drop of oil uunder them.
trees, shrubs or dead animals do not turn too oil unless under pressure in an enclosed space and under heat.
Sudden pressure creates enourmous heat and pressure in just minutes, the organic compost would have cooked and carbonified like a pice of wood in an enclosed oven, I can make caharcoal out of a quarter of wood in 6 hours.
Trees there made no sense at all turning into oil laying on the surface.
That NEVER made sense to me.
Thinking strengthens the brain.
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PS the one that got me thinking about our enourmous waste was this one.
1 Boeing 747 Idling from the loading bay to the takeoff position of the runway takes 500 gallons of fuel.
If they would tow it out there it would take 10 gallons max.. this is inefficient.
thank you!
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Or 1 trillion barrels of oil will cover the whole world in 1 yard deep of oil.
Or, if you took all the water in the oceans and moved them underground into huge interlaced aquifers, leaving dry land and a few rivers and lakes, the land mass would be 10 times more than the area we have now.
and the 1 trillion barrels of oil would cover this larger earth area without oceans to a depth of 3-4 inches. The water would be underground in huge aquifers. The grand canyon is one of the few exposed aquifers that collapsed we can see.
On the way to Las Vegas you can see huger plates tipped and pointing into the earth and then great ravins that used to be these underground collapsed aquifers.
Some aqufers STILL EXIST and we get water out of them for drinking. This is the purest water you can get today to drink. Very good water.
anyway if the whole earth was thick with vegetation (It was totally tropical due to a vapor cloud that used to cover the earth above 25 mile altitude.
prior to the meteors. Interestingly this would be similar to the amount of matter existant on this ocean-less world at one time.
(If there were no observable oceans and if we put the water all back into the ground)
But if something hit the earth and ripped a hole the size of the pacific basin and atlantic basin and maybe smaller chunk made the indian ocean, broke the aquifers and released much water, and all of it suddenly buried and wiped out all vegetation to the depth of 1 cubit above the highest mountains,
Hey, then more asteroids like in OREGON and china sea etc hits the planet and ruptures the aquifers and wipes out the dinosours and floods the earth and the relulting rain would create huge huricanes for 40 days and nights.
When the big broken up asteroids hit the earth, the shock wave was transmitted through the interconnected aquivers cause each one to rupture upward. This would look like FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP shooting up at supersonic speeds right out of the ground all around the earth, totally flooding everything with no runoff as of yet (Untill the oceans settle in a few months.)
this would cause enourmous rain and clooudbursts, ice and hail (sub orbital ice formed)
Ok now the underground aquifers are EMPTY all the water was forced out, as the water swirls and runs back down and carries tons of trees and animals into these deep holes up to 2-3 miles deep aquifers, and over the nex few months the tsunamis cover the tops with layers of rocks and mud. now you have packed aquifers with dead material under high pressure and heat from compression and from lava (Coming up through the crust, all at superheated steam tem under ground then this tuff cooks for years and corbonifies till it finally cools. This turns to oil high pressure and deep and high temp mixed with water to crack lime from the earth and heat (Just exactly like we make biodiesel today in just 24 hours
24 hours toady, then
24 hours yeasterday only in larger underground batches.
(Cedar trees make the sweetest oil probably)
and by some sudden great gushes of water and layers of mud hundreds of feet thick over and over, huge tsunamis roll round and round over the earth multiple times as the earth crust cracked and moved, and lave boils the fountains. earthquakes buried all this stuff from yards to miles deep,.
This is the oil.
Then from the weight of the redistributed water, and the cracked crust, the ocean collapsed and settled a few miles and all the water suddenly ran off the continents across them into the pacific (Gouging out the grand canyon and the mud deposited as panhandle of mexico (it lines up) and across the east coast forming Florida, and likewise on other continents,
ripping and tearing and exposing caverns and valleys and forming channels like the missisipi and all the other rivers too.
At the same time much mud is falling world wide, the trillions of tons of earth shot into the air on either side of brazil (pacific and atlantic) came down and covered tons and tons of vegetation, and many rocks were blown into the air completely cover every square inch of land ot a depth of yards to miles. most of the thick forested trees grew at the equater in Brazil and in Iran area, and these get washed into the deep aquifers.
this would be an event athat could suddenly crate all that pressurized vegetation.
The heat comes from the lava boiling up underneath but the steam has no where to go but into the limestone and all is covered by suffocating mud that holds in the heat.
Then as the water settled into the basins, all warmed by the temperatufre of the earth, there were very hot oceans with huge hurricanes and winds, the rest of the sediment, trees and bloated floating animals animals settled into low valleys and the water ran off slowly and the flaot into the valleys and rest. the ocean (Temp around 105 degrees now from the lava) forms enourmous hurricanes of speed 350 mph that totally takes all the tops off the mountains and fills the valleys leveling the land with the average depth of 1/2 mile dirt burying these valleys some more and some less. these are the coal veins that will develop. as they are covered the heat traps and cooks the trees to su[perheated steam and they carbonify.
and the huge winds blew the dirt off neighboring mountains to cover all the vegetation raising the pressure higher and higher in the valleys forming pockets of vegetation covered by silt and mud. The wind also blows the trees up against mountains then covered them, so they end up lying next to sold rock and up against elevations, which is why geological formations aometimess look similar where oil is now found.
Sand stone is pressurized into rock and mud is cooked into hard rack, these areas are where heat from lava touches them, and they are areas more likly converted to coal and oil.
Pretty exciting movie. Meanwhile the boat happens to be on the OTHER side of the planned but it gets wickedly thrown around and nearly capsizes.
A process somewhat like that could have made the exact amount of oil we have now, One complete planet cycle of vegetation all at once buried would match the trillion barrels to within an order of magnitude.
AFter some months the stress of the earth and the then the setlling ocean basins under enourmous forces pushed against cracked plates and began the slow movement that continues today .
It ended up holding most of the water, leaving the land mass we have now exposed for life.
hey, this would make a great movie.
But there is a guy who was warned to built a boat....
pretty cool.
Maybe there WAS a huge flood afterall.
Pretty interesting.
I always wondered how trees turn into oil, the ones I see always rot into powder and never make any oil, same with dead animals, they rot away and turn to dust, but if the whole world would suddenly be buried in a hge flood it would make just the exact oil that we seem to have available now.
Very interesting post, Thanks, it makes sense now, to make oil things have to be buried quickly and deeply all at once or in a maktter of a few weeks they rot away with nothing left.
A corpse is totally gone in 4 months if left to the air, oil can't form that way. Bugs eat the carcass.
This makes more sense than for some time back when trees fell they turned to oil and went underground and then for some reason they stopped turning to oil, because we know for a fact that doesn't happen anymore. (Never has)
ANyway it would make a great movie, it has action, drama and world destruction, with redemption, all in one.
We could have Charlton Heston as Moses and Catherine hepburn as his wife. Pixar could do it.
Trees just laying there and turning to oil and coal over THOUSANDS OF YEARS is impossible. Go to yellowstone, they are all laying around turning to rotten sawdust, there isn't any oil in yellowstone. The animals you hit on the road by next weak are dried out and not a drop of oil uunder them.
trees, shrubs or dead animals do not turn too oil unless under pressure in an enclosed space and under heat.
Sudden pressure creates enourmous heat and pressure in just minutes, the organic compost would have cooked and carbonified like a pice of wood in an enclosed oven, I can make caharcoal out of a quarter of wood in 6 hours.
Trees there made no sense at all turning into oil laying on the surface.
That NEVER made sense to me.
Thinking strengthens the brain.
____________
PS the one that got me thinking about our enourmous waste was this one.
1 Boeing 747 Idling from the loading bay to the takeoff position of the runway takes 500 gallons of fuel.
If they would tow it out there it would take 10 gallons max.. this is inefficient.
thank you!
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by turmoil » Wed 25 Jan 2006, 19:08:51
Thanks grabby for that also very interesting response.
I didn't think about ties to biblical events, but I did hope someone would take the reigns and do some more calculations. So thank you again. Do you have a backgound in geology or Earth's history or petroleum history, or done independent research on it? Seems like one of those would be true since some of what you wrote is so specific.
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by grabby » Wed 25 Jan 2006, 19:13:27
Since there were witnesses , we need to make the story fit the witness description. There were eyewitnesses and the job of an investigator is training to not alter the facts to fit the story, but alter the story to fit the facts.
I kept getting more ideas as I went, if anyone has more to add that would be great, maybe some are not plausible then we change them but this should make a good thread eventually. Interestingly Noah never asked questions he just believed and built And that saved him.
Back then the though of vast underground caverns full of oceans of water were so looney that they called him crazy and I am quite sure he had no clue where all of this water was going to come from.
But that didnt't stop him he just built the boat and hung in there. (So it reads) because he believed what he was told to do. Those kind of people tend to do all right. Abraham crossed an uncrossable desert on foot with hundreds of cattle, and infants and women, and made it. every night he hit an oasis. He just went with no questions asked.
I kept getting more ideas as I went, if anyone has more to add that would be great, maybe some are not plausible then we change them but this should make a good thread eventually. Interestingly Noah never asked questions he just believed and built And that saved him.
Back then the though of vast underground caverns full of oceans of water were so looney that they called him crazy and I am quite sure he had no clue where all of this water was going to come from.
But that didnt't stop him he just built the boat and hung in there. (So it reads) because he believed what he was told to do. Those kind of people tend to do all right. Abraham crossed an uncrossable desert on foot with hundreds of cattle, and infants and women, and made it. every night he hit an oasis. He just went with no questions asked.
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by turmoil » Wed 25 Jan 2006, 19:26:35
I'm not sure exactly what to make of parts of your posts, to be honest. I understand most of it, and then you lose me with statements that seem to be purely ficticious that might go in your proposed movie (which is a great idea) on the evolution of Earth. Maybe it's my bibical illiteracy, not mention that I'm no geologist either. What are you saying about religion and nature?
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by grabby » Wed 25 Jan 2006, 19:53:38
You know what is really neat?
Read Genesis chapter 7 carefully you will notice the first event was
THE FOUNTAINS of the DEEP were broken up"
there are two options,
Earthquake
Meteors
Doubt earthquake it wouldn't have the force necessary to break them UPWARDS into fountains.
a meteor fits,
and then the rest of the chapter a word at a time really feets the scene.
kind of fun reading.
Read Genesis chapter 7 carefully you will notice the first event was
THE FOUNTAINS of the DEEP were broken up"
there are two options,
Earthquake
Meteors
Doubt earthquake it wouldn't have the force necessary to break them UPWARDS into fountains.
a meteor fits,
and then the rest of the chapter a word at a time really feets the scene.
kind of fun reading.
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by Anjorni » Wed 25 Jan 2006, 20:01:47
Love the story man...and although it's a wild one, it does tie in a lot of different ideas - and makes some sense too! just a couple thoughts: 1) if the heat was hot enough to convert carbon beings into oil, wouldnt it have boiled the water out of the ground by that time too? (although you did mention that it was quite humid) 2) if there was that much water being boiled off into the atmosphere, wouldnt it have been so humid that either there would be green everywhere (Jesus walked off into the desert right? and isnt that in a relatively same longetude you mention was covered by rainforest)? or that it would have trapped so much heat so to make the world unlivable? 3) Asteroids hitting the earth with that much impact - wouldnt there be more craters - geology cant work that fast as to bury ALL the evidence in a few thousand years... 4) btw - how did the water get down there? lastly 5) Although if this is the case it would definately explain what happened to Atlantis!
Dont mean to be a party foul, but you did ask for thoughts... but if some of these holes can be plugged, then you've really got yourself a winner in MY book!
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by grabby » Thu 26 Jan 2006, 03:32:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anjorni', 'L')ove the story man...and although it's a wild one, it does tie in a lot of different ideas - and makes some sense too! just a couple thoughts: 1) if the heat was hot enough to convert carbon beings into oil, wouldnt it have boiled the water out of the ground by that time too? (although you did mention that it was quite humid) 2) if there was that much water being boiled off into the atmosphere, wouldnt it have been so humid that either there would be green everywhere (Jesus walked off into the desert right? and isnt that in a relatively same longetude you mention was covered by rainforest)? or that it would have trapped so much heat so to make the world unlivable? 3) Asteroids hitting the earth with that much impact - wouldnt there be more craters - geology cant work that fast as to bury ALL the evidence in a few thousand years... 4) btw - how did the water get down there? lastly 5) Although if this is the case it would definately explain what happened to Atlantis!
Dont mean to be a party foul, but you did ask for thoughts... but if some of these holes can be plugged, then you've really got yourself a winner in MY book!
Dont mean to be a party foul, but you did ask for thoughts... but if some of these holes can be plugged, then you've really got yourself a winner in MY book!
Yes thanks for the questions:
The story is way longer and more detailed because it really falls together kind of automatically, just thinking "How could this reasonably have happened?" Occams razor says to always use the simples explanation, and meteor is the simplest.
the simpler the better, but anyway, its just an opinion, Im sure the details will adjust as more things are pointed out. This may not be right, it just fits the record so far.
lets see:
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1) if the heat was hot enough to convert carbon beings into oil, wouldnt it have boiled the water out of the ground by that time too? (although you did mention that it was quite humid)
The places where oil is formed are at the bottom of the now partially empty huge aquifers (think Grand Canyon only deeper) filled with trees and dinosaurs, then covered with a very heavy thick layer of rocks and dirt washed over it about 1/2 mile to 3 miles thick, very heavy. This weight could completly contain water at 20 atmospheres. Water, can be kept liquid as you heat it until it heats about 325 fahrenheit wherupon it will change to steam no matter what the pressure and the pressure will go up exponentially enourmous pressure, this converted the organic matter to oil. the lava in some of these areas heated the water and it did not boil off, it stayed in the pockets has superheated steam up to 1400 degrees temp (heat of lava) a perfect catalytic cracker.
Ok all the matter in the emptyaquifer pits pit is like 1/2 mile to 2 miles deep (Imagine the grand canyon ahalf full of trees then filled with rolling clay and mud.
This also happened to the Grand canyon itself, but in the case of the Grand canyon, when the ocean basis collapsed the last aquifers by increasing weight, the floor of the ocean sank to about 4 mile average depth, and all the water flowed into it. this rushing water washed out the grand canyon and the dsediment flowed southwest, forming the mexican peninsila below california (look at map) interestingly this area is a great place for buried artifacts.
Another way to think of it is to think of yellowstone (Old Faithful is tiny and shallow compared to these cverns) the hot lava underneath slowly heats the water iand material in that cavern way past boiling and it won't boil until the pressure is relieved a bit.
The aquifers have no relief hole like old faithful, and they don't boil off the water is trapped and super heated.
The other water covering the earth is not superheated it is merely warm like about 105 degrees. How do I know this? because all the whales and fish would have died if it was hotter than this.
Hurricanes are deadly category five at 85 degrees and at 105 they would be incomprehensible. 350 mph wind minimum like a tornado..
this scoured all dwellings and everything off the planet, not a single tree or plant was left alive says the record.
now the cooked oil will over 4000 years cool to near earth temp, and the lava rents will harden with all the water in the holes so the oil is sealed waiting for man to discover the industrial age. Everything is planned ahead to the milligram. The oil we have today will last exactly as long as it is supposed to last and not a minute more or less.
This is my best reasonable guess as to how the oil would be created. In fact if I had to create 1 trillion barrels of oil and I had unlimited power, this is exactly how I would do it, throw some lye in a deep pit and heat it thouroughly with organic matter, just like biodiesel. We showd call it Dinodiesel.
Why did not the Dinosaurs survive? None were taken into the ark. (Would you?)
2) if there was that much water being boiled off into the atmosphere, wouldnt it have been so humid that either there would be green everywhere
From question one you will see not much boiling off occured. it was hyper pressure subteranean. most of the damage above ground was wind and super hurricanes and water damage. And total coverage with mud and sinking whole cities.
I am sure there were som guys on rafts trying to survive, but after 9 months without food you tend to die.
The huge water damage left much denuded and wasted and scoured land including the once prosperous Sahara dessert which now was scoured, and since the weather pattern had no more "greenhouse" that area in the shadow of the rainclod became desolate.
Now weather depended on rain (which developed due to the huge oceans) there was not rain before. The first rainbow occured after the flood. before then the earth was watered from a mist from the underground aquifers each morning (See Genesis) and there were no huge oceans to evaporate and cause rain.
Also after the meteor hit the lower atmosphere and the upper water sphere mixed and the high temp water vapor shield above 10 mile altitude (hundreds of degrees in temp) mixed with cold air below, condensed due to the atmophere mixing from the huge meteor, into rain and came down, no more shield no more greenhouse. This set off a chain reaction and the shield was lost, also allowing more radiation and cosmic rays through now, shortening our lives an order of magnitude.
the weather pattern totally changed Everywhere including now ice at the poles. This is called the ice age, but it is just the greenhouse destruction age.
Now without the greenhouse, the air became less humid and then storms started to appear and wind jet stream developed and the temp dependent on humidity and temperature differences now.
differences now, in different areas when before it was all like jurassic park and muggy and warm like hawaii all over the world due to light diffusion. (Well, maybe a bit more temperate at the poles of course, but not freezing.
this would explain the two distinct types of climates which they call the ICE AGE but instead of ice it was the RENTED EARTH water age.
tropical fauna can be dug up in polar areas and sea shells found on the tops of mountains (do a google search) this story is like Occam's razor, it answers all those questions. it answers all thosoe questions.
(Jesus walked off into the desert right? Yes he did but Jesus lived almost 3000 years after the flood. He had an earth just like it is today.
Right, now there are desserts since the climate is dependant on how far from the ocean and rain intself.
Back then it was a whole different world. It was a Jurrasic park warm and humid.
and isnt that in a relatively same longetude you mention was covered by rainforest) the very same longitude.
the Sahara dessert is about where the garden of eden used to be.
very much changes occured after the flood. This was the same longitude, no more greenhouse effect.
or that it would have trapped so much heat so to make the world unlivable? Water doesn't trap much heat or infrared it actually reflects a lot (Clouds) the water shild reflected a lot, but also held in heat also, the balance would depend on how high and how much water there was and I don't have any way of knowing that, it isnt discussed much in the record.
But I am sure it was just the right amount. Because God created it good.
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3) Asteroids hitting the earth with that much impact - wouldnt there be more craters - ONE big one or two smaller ons as it broke up, or a huge asteroid the fragmanted and multiple hits, or even one GIANT ONE that did not even impact, just skimmed the earth and the shock wave blew the whole sub-terraneum water system to bits from the hyper shock wave. Whatever it was or how it happened it was the perfect even to kill all life on the planet except a small boat on the other side of the planet.
P.S. You know what Noah did when he got off the boat?
He was so grateful he TOOK ONE OF THE OXEN the precious rare oxen of which there were only 7 of them and offered it up as a sacrifice. That is how much he trusted God to take care of him! What a great man that was what faith.
Like after the peak crash you give your supplies away, 1/7 of them. God was very pleased and blessed him abundantly.
that was just a little tearjeker there. anyway...
I think there could be two huge asteroids at the bottom of the pacific and atlantic oceans maybe 200-300 miles deep. the world coverage with water would completely fill in the hole. remember the earth is totally covered with mud and water and any crater would instantly fill. There would be no way to even trace it after 9 months of water flowing around the earth and leveling everything , the crater filled with sediment and mud.
I stood on ALTA MOUNTAIN in utah and looked into the valley, and I stood at three sisters in Idaho and I saw a huge vally in the basin of mountain ranges PERFECTLY FLAT for a hundred miles, just like mud flat, that settled, when you fly in a plane look around, between the mountains perfect flat mud fildds, it all fits.
geology cant work that fast as to bury ALL the evidence in a few thousand years...
Look at New Orleans after three weeks, a lot was missing, and that was miniscule compared to hundreds of feet deep water.
Actually a lot of evidence is available.
We have in washington here a PETRIFIED FOREST along the columbia river. it is a mile long hike trail and you can walk IN THE DESERT HERE and see hundreds of petrified trees sticking out of the mud flows UP IN THE HILLS and they say the boulders came from as far as montana! that is 400 miles! the trees are positifvly HUGE no little trees at all , all mature.
very interesting.
Ice does not do that, Ice CRUSHES AND SPLINTERS everything and you want to know something, I don't believ it was a glacier at all, you know why?
Because the elevation in montana is the same elevation as here, and it is very hard to push a glacier weighing a trillion tons on plat ground with a million trees 400 miles. why would it move on a flat ground?
No, it was the flood. The water runoff. besides glaciers crush and break, and these trees were stuck in a MUD FLOW you can see the mud flow it is 100 feet thick right along the course of the river.
The evidence is visible if you drive through arizona and Utah you see huge plates of ground tilted up and protruding out from the earth with layers and layers.
LOOK at the grand Canyon or Brices canyon! Beautiful yes, but in the middle of the canyons there are beautiful spindle towers standing everywhere. how can a glacier carve those out and leave the spindle shaped islands? IT DAN't
the grand canyon is a collapsed underground aquifer and the spindle towers were one of the columns holding up the ground above and it used to be full of pure water.
One other thing the meteor could have GRAZED the earth, and skimmed the earth and the atmospheric shock wave compression set the crushing the earth over the pacific basin or atlantic basin or both if it split in two. This is enourmous force and the shock wave could transmit through all the underground water lakes and explode them all upward at supersonic speed. Setting all the "FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP" compression gysers off,
anyway it was planned by a higher being just right, I don't know the details. If a huge meteor of too large of a size would have hit the earth, the boat and the animals would be dead. So that was not allowed.
P.S. everyone was given a chance to survive. They didn't want it.
4) btw - how did the water get down there?
Ah. It was created a perfect world. Self watering irrigation sytem before sin. in Genesis God created a planet that watered itself from deep reservoirs. Based on the day and night spin and contraction of the earth and the gravity of the moon, the large aquifers were perfectly balanced so at night the pressure forced multitudes of small mist clouds up (a sprinkler system) and during the day it would accept excess water back down into the ground. The atmosphere was at equilibrium and perfect humidity so in the daytime the water would evaporate when it was warm and as it cooled the water would condense, read Genesis 3-7.
Also you know there was no rain before the flood, during and after the flood there was rain and rainbows for the first time. It surprised Noah.
no matter what happens, God always has a plan.
awsome intelligence. awesome power to manipulate events by perfect balance thousands of years in the past and haveing perfect outcomes.
you might have actually better ideas, I wasn't there, so just think about it and improve the picture, so far it all fits the record though in this way, and the laws of physics are abided by.
But best of all, it explains in a reasonable way how the oil was made. There is no other explanation that makes sense to me (step by step) to explain to me as the movie watcher how oil from dinosaurs collected in pools miles below the earth when usually animals dry up and rot when they die, leaving not a drop of coal and oil behind.
5) Although if this is the case it would definately explain what happened to Atlantis.
Atlantis was one of the cities that rejected Noah's offer to give up their idol worship and they must have heard his warning, he was preaching for 120 years, and even back in those days they had time to visit and ask questions. This would make a great story line. How they calculated that there was not enough water on the whole EARTH to cover it in a flood, how they refused, and closeup shots of Atlantis families as the waters started rising. And eventually Atlantis was flooded.
Many other cities could be used also in the story line, many any city ruins have been found under seas, and oceans one was explored by divers recently on PBS. In the dead sea a whole stone house and well just under the mud. And they usually have little idols in the houses. That is why they are under water. That would be the second family that took a vacation to visit the land of Methuselah, to see the "boatman" and how they were almost convinced to get on the boat, but then the high priests did their math calculations and proved to everyone a flood was impossible. Great story line.
The middle east was least affected, by this flood, but it was the richest population and garden area and the oil was buried more shallowly there, the meteor hit (or meteors) on the brazil side. Most of the organic matter in middle east was not wiped off the planet but survived to be turned to oil.
This could be explained further in the Narration as the story shows the bobbing ark in the perfect storm, who happens to be protected from the 350 MPG hurricane by mount everest.
Awesome storyline.
if the meteors would have hit on Noahs side, he would have been cooked and the ark exploded from the shock wave. But then why be told to build an ark if your gonna die? Noah wasn't going to die and the meteor was planned for the opposit side of the planet.
Perfect timing.
thanks for the questions.
If anyone knows a good filmamaker this would be one awesome earth shattering movie, and all religions would embrace it cause we are following the written record.
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by ChicknLittle » Thu 26 Jan 2006, 05:11:53
Are you guys being serious here, or are you waiting for someone to call "BS"?
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by grabby » Thu 26 Jan 2006, 10:55:57
Just looking for a realistic way to find out how all this oil and coal was produced that could be reproducible and match the written record of history and legends.
And to make it unarguable we have to make sure it is done the wame way the written historical record says it was. I just couldn't place the oil production of 21 trillion barrels along with the dinosaurs, but this makes sense.
It will make a great movie. When a movies is made in a way it is logical and could happen, then no one questions it, and no bickering occurs. everyone is happy.
Look at Jurrasic park.
Realistic, no one even questions it. But they never explained the oil production in it.
Legends are always based in truth or they wouldn't be legends.
I believe meteors had an impact in destroying the dinosaurs. (Pun intended.)
And to make it unarguable we have to make sure it is done the wame way the written historical record says it was. I just couldn't place the oil production of 21 trillion barrels along with the dinosaurs, but this makes sense.
It will make a great movie. When a movies is made in a way it is logical and could happen, then no one questions it, and no bickering occurs. everyone is happy.
Look at Jurrasic park.
Realistic, no one even questions it. But they never explained the oil production in it.
Legends are always based in truth or they wouldn't be legends.
I believe meteors had an impact in destroying the dinosaurs. (Pun intended.)
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by grabby » Thu 26 Jan 2006, 12:13:11
you know, the way this movie is setup, it is possible for an advanced civilization to CO-EXIST with the dinosaurs, in a jurrasic park setting. This explains the Mayans child models found that shows humans hunting dinosaurs and such showing some of the regualrs we now know about.
Since the flood was global the dinosaurs could have lived as little as 4000 years ago, and then immediately wiped out (Could happen)
Put it this way:
since the meteors wiped out the beasts
and the meteors caused the flood.
then the dinosaurs were wiped out by the flood and turned to oil
that meeans before the flood, while Noah was building the ark, there must have been dinos rumaging around correct?
(Someone explain the flaw here if it exists)
and the mayans just made clay statues of the beasties running around in the swamps of brazil.
and the flood buried the statutes.
Anyway. This would be a historical intro in the movie just to get your attention, it would get your attention right?
People would WANT to think the dinos existed 4000 years ago.
"Give em what they want" said Barnum.
I think this movie would be a hit.
but for the movie you could have some cool scenes of rampaging tyrannesaurs rex's ploughing through a village and all the men spearing it, just like the ancient childrens relics dug up in Mexico depict.
so there is a lot of potential for this film here.
Since the flood was global the dinosaurs could have lived as little as 4000 years ago, and then immediately wiped out (Could happen)
Put it this way:
since the meteors wiped out the beasts
and the meteors caused the flood.
then the dinosaurs were wiped out by the flood and turned to oil
that meeans before the flood, while Noah was building the ark, there must have been dinos rumaging around correct?
(Someone explain the flaw here if it exists)
and the mayans just made clay statues of the beasties running around in the swamps of brazil.
and the flood buried the statutes.
Anyway. This would be a historical intro in the movie just to get your attention, it would get your attention right?
People would WANT to think the dinos existed 4000 years ago.
"Give em what they want" said Barnum.
I think this movie would be a hit.
but for the movie you could have some cool scenes of rampaging tyrannesaurs rex's ploughing through a village and all the men spearing it, just like the ancient childrens relics dug up in Mexico depict.
so there is a lot of potential for this film here.
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Re: We are Covering the Earth in a Blanket of Crude Oil
by grabby » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 19:00:42
Looking up wether organic matter in deep high pressure steam chambers can make oil and wether it takes years or hours to make oil here is a technique to make some more crude.
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This hydrous pyrolysis method instead uses water to improve the heating process and contribute hydrogen from water to the reactions.
The feedstock material is first ground into small chunks, and mixed with water if it is especially dry. It is then fed into a reaction chamber where it is heated to around 250 °C and subjected to 600 lbf/in² (4 MPa) for approximately 15 minutes, after which the pressure is rapidly released to boil off most of the water. The result is a mix of crude hydrocarbons and solid minerals, which are separated out. The hydrocarbons are sent to a second-stage reactor where they are heated to 500 °C, further breaking down the longer chains, and the resulting mix of hydrocarbons similar to crude oil.
Working with turkey offal as the feedstock, the process proved to have yield efficiencies of approximately 85%; in other words, the energy required to process materials could be supplied by using 15% of the petroleum output. Alternatively, one could consider the energy efficiency of the process to be 560% (85 units of energy produced for 15 units of energy consumed). The company claims that 15 to 20% of feedstock energy is used to provide energy for the plant. The remaining energy is available in the converted product. Higher efficiencies may be possible with drier and more carbon-rich feedstocks, such as waste plastic.
By comparison, the current processes used to produce ethanol and biodiesel from agricultural sources have energy efficiencies in the 320% range when the energy used to produce the feedstocks is considered .(Chicken, turkey offal, diinosaurs, trees plants etc etc.
It doesnt take years to make oil at all. this is great for the movie, it means we can have dinosurs 4000 years ago and the oil still could have had plenty of time to be manufactured.
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This hydrous pyrolysis method instead uses water to improve the heating process and contribute hydrogen from water to the reactions.
The feedstock material is first ground into small chunks, and mixed with water if it is especially dry. It is then fed into a reaction chamber where it is heated to around 250 °C and subjected to 600 lbf/in² (4 MPa) for approximately 15 minutes, after which the pressure is rapidly released to boil off most of the water. The result is a mix of crude hydrocarbons and solid minerals, which are separated out. The hydrocarbons are sent to a second-stage reactor where they are heated to 500 °C, further breaking down the longer chains, and the resulting mix of hydrocarbons similar to crude oil.
Working with turkey offal as the feedstock, the process proved to have yield efficiencies of approximately 85%; in other words, the energy required to process materials could be supplied by using 15% of the petroleum output. Alternatively, one could consider the energy efficiency of the process to be 560% (85 units of energy produced for 15 units of energy consumed). The company claims that 15 to 20% of feedstock energy is used to provide energy for the plant. The remaining energy is available in the converted product. Higher efficiencies may be possible with drier and more carbon-rich feedstocks, such as waste plastic.
By comparison, the current processes used to produce ethanol and biodiesel from agricultural sources have energy efficiencies in the 320% range when the energy used to produce the feedstocks is considered .(Chicken, turkey offal, diinosaurs, trees plants etc etc.
It doesnt take years to make oil at all. this is great for the movie, it means we can have dinosurs 4000 years ago and the oil still could have had plenty of time to be manufactured.
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