by The_Toecutter » Wed 04 Jan 2006, 03:07:54
What will make a comeback depends upon what kind of scenario we see.
If we address peak oil the best we can, we will see the following make a substantial comeback out of necessity for such a scenario:
-inner city living
-trolleys
-trains for long distance travel
-electric cars
-traditional farming methods(as opposed to factory farming)
-shipment of the majority of goods by train
-the corner grocery store
-the local restaraunts
-custom tailored clothing as opposed to mass produced items
-repairable, low-maintenance, simple appliances (For instance, computers and automobiles might be built to last longer and have the individual capable of servicing themselves.)
If we fail to properly address peak oil and continue the status quo of energy wars and increasing totalitarianism(note: these things listed below already exist to a degree as we are already headed in this direction, but multiply them for this possible post peak future):
-feudalism
-dueling
-indentured servitude
-robber baron capitalism
-slavery
-military draft
-Massive civil unrest in America
-water pollution so bad rivers catch fire
-massive immigration(perhaps in the future, OUT of America)
-widescale protests and armed action by what are considered 'anarchists'
-concentration camps and internment camps
-widespread dysentary, cholera, and other diseases
-muckraking on a massive scale
-the "moral majority"
-totalitarianism
-anti sedition laws
-strictly enforced low speed limits(say, 55 mph or even less)
-fuel rationing
-food rationing
-difficulty finding tires
-a new "Marshall Plan"
-massive stagflation(worse than the 70s by far)
-Depression-era unemployment levels
-massive deforestation
-the "Dust Bowl"
-farmers riots
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')entlemen resolving their differences outside with pistol duels
I emailed Zell Miller, challenging him to a duel of this sort, but the prick never responded. I was hoping he'd say yes, just so the bastard could be shown just how those days he wanted to go back to were like.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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by Doly » Wed 04 Jan 2006, 06:21:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')-custom tailored clothing as opposed to mass produced items.
I have my doubts about this one. Clothes are light, so I reckon it will still be worthwhile to mass produce and transport them. On the other hand, making your own clothes may be on the rise. But I expect that your usual clothes shops will still be around.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')-repairable, low-maintenance, simple appliances (For instance, computers and automobiles might be built to last longer and have the individual capable of servicing themselves.)
Individuals can already service their own computers, with just a little bit of knowledge. Changing a card or a hard drive is awfully simple. Changing the motherboard takes a bit longer, but there isn't any rocket science in it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')-feudalism
-dueling
-indentured servitude
-robber baron capitalism
-slavery
I have my doubts about history repeating itself. Maybe some of these things could appear, but maybe not. I'd expect some new and creative ways of being screwed.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')-water pollution so bad rivers catch fire
by The_Toecutter » Wed 04 Jan 2006, 16:58:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have my doubts about this one. Clothes are light, so I reckon it will still be worthwhile to mass produce and transport them. On the other hand, making your own clothes may be on the rise. But I expect that your usual clothes shops will still be around.
Part of addressing peak oil properly would be awareness of the things that will make it a problem. Sweatshops, overconsumption of resources, and poor labor practices contribute to much suffering today and will be multiplied if peak oil happens to be a problem.
Should people become more aware of these things, this is one area in which they may reduce their negative impact upon society, and if peak is properly addressed, which we will see more of.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ndividuals can already service their own computers, with just a little bit of knowledge. Changing a card or a hard drive is awfully simple. Changing the motherboard takes a bit longer, but there isn't any rocket science in it.
However, can they make their own videocards and hard drives? Probably not. In that statement I should have clarified, as qualities of an appliance will vary depending upon the appliance. Computers tend to have fans and motherboards that are built to last for a few years. Ideally, they would be built to last longer and people would be switching in newer equipment much less so as to cut consumption of resources. Insofar as computers of a possible future, that is what I was inferring.
Automobiles, for instance, last about 150,000 miles and 15 or so years today. Throught their life they need constant maintenance and parts, use complex engines with thousands of moving parts that constantly need servicing. Switch them to electric, using an electric motor that only has one(or zero) moving parts, lasts 500,000+ miles, and needs no tune ups, servicing, oil changes, or maintenance, and build their frames and bodies with aluminum, and instead of the car lasting 15 years, it could instead last 30 or 40+ years.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have my doubts about history repeating itself. Maybe some of these things could appear, but maybe not. I'd expect some new and creative ways of being screwed.
These things already exist. Depending upon how we address peak oil, these negative aspects of our society could improve, or they will become much, much worse.
As for new and creative ways of being scred, I don't doubt that. But it is difficult to predict just what those methods will be since they aren't yet common practice and very rarely does anyone know of them.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es, I've thought the same. If US economy goes belly up, like it looks like, it may start looking like a good idea to be somewhere else. Being in one of the countries that is likely to be in the receiving end of the emigration, I keep wondering what the likely consequences would be.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
