[PenultimateManStanding]

You can get Iranian White Poppy seeds through the internet. And a few other types that will yield opium. It is quite illegal, so I would suggest to just keep the seeds until the dire day when things fall apart. As far as I know, the seeds aren't illegal. Then come the evil days, opium can be extracted in a two week interval by slitting the sides of the pods. Then you boil the opium in an acid solution and a white film rises to the top. That is morphine. There won't be any doctors, and you won't have any help to deal with pain. (yes Jato, I researched everything for Y2K)

[PenultimateManStanding]

Think about it, no doctors, no dentists, no way to deal with pain. You want to be a central figure in the post-peak world? Having morphine will do it.

[AmericanEmpire]

And if things get too bad for you to handle individually you could always take a bunch of it and exit this life.

We put our pets to sleep when they are in pain and suffering. That is the humane thing to do and yet when humans are in pain and suffering we tend to try and prolong life by hooking them up to machines.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Yes indeed. opiates can steal your will away. Just ask Rush Limbaugh. The powers of the herb are so strong as to cancel every question and leave you an addict. The jazz musician, Art Pepper, summed it up when he said after trying heroin that he would without a doubt spend the rest of his life addicted to the stuff. But it is the best pain-killer known to man.

[Antimatter]

boil the morphine in vineagar or glacial acetic acid if you can get it and you'll have an even better product.

[Specop_007]

I really really want to get some poppy seeds...

Now PMS, do you have an at home guide to coke?

[Princess]

If I understand correctly, the more you refine opium, the more addictive it is. Opium itself is a terrific pain killer and was used for a long time (baked into cakes, drunk in liquids, etc.) without the severe addiction that morphine brings.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Princess', 'I')f I understand correctly, the more you refine opium, the more addictive it is. Opium itself is a terrific pain killer and was used for a long time (baked into cakes, drunk in liquids, etc.) without the severe addiction that morphine brings.

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')yes Jato, I researched everything for Y2K)

[0mar]

shit you can tough out the pain if you have a good stoogie and some brass balls.

I popped my knee back into place, taped it up and continued to play football back in highschool. Apparently that was a bad thing to do, because now I walk with a slight limp. Play/live through the pain!

[frankthetank]

i fell down a flight of wood steps the other day...smashing my head against one of them...bruising various other parts...nothing broke...i didn't even take an aspirin.

although

this could come in handy...

wouldn't a bottle of scotch do about the same?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '
')I agree that narcotics would be a nice tool to have when TSHTF. However, (theoretically) I would rather have a finite supply of pills (currently illegal to possess). I wouldn’t want to propagate plants and wind up with an Opium plague.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Here is what erowid says (rather ambiguous wouldn't you say?):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')pium poppies are specifically scheduled under U.S. Law. The Controlled Substances Act, Schedule II, lists "Opium poppy and poppy straw" as well as .The law Poppies are specifically scheduled (under 'Mescaline' in the Federal Listing) as "Concentrate of poppy straw (the crude extract of poppy straw in either liquid, solid or powder form which contains the phenanthrene alkaloids of the opium poppy)".

There is some confusion in the law, however, because opium-producing poppies are widely grown around the US and Canada and the opium poppy seeds are omnipresent in cooking, breads, and deserts. The grey-blue poppy seeds sold in virtually every grocery store in the US contain low levels of opiates (not psychoactive levels). Poppy pods are widely used in dry flower arrangements.

Law enforcement in the US is somewhat schizophrenic about these plants, although there are continual attempts to try to stop them from being sold or grown. If poppies are grown as sources for opiates, there is no question that it violates the CSA. If poppies are purely grown for ornamental purposes, their legal position is somewhat less clear cut, since they are so widely grown and available.

Opium for legal commercial pharmaceutical use is grown with special government licenses around the world, although very little of it is grown inside the US. Large scale underground opium poppy growing is reported to take place in Mexico, Afghanistan, and many other countries in Asia. Much of the produced opium is converted into heroin because it is easier to ship and commands a higher price than raw opium.

[Terran]

Well those will come in handy during post peak. I can see how it erases pain both physically, and psychologically. I would imagine huge demand for this when TSHTF. Look at New Orleans during Katrina.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'T')he seeds are legal. They are the same ones you can get in the grocery store. Throw some on a wet paper towel and they'll sprout.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I had taken the attitude that I'll just have to go along with the general fate of everyone else and hope for the best. I can't do it. It is neccessary to prepare. I can't say it will do any good, but I have to try. Water storage, seed banks, medicine, whatever it takes. One has to try and be ready for the worst. I still have my bolt-cutters that I bought for Y2K, and a rather good collection of seeds. Unfortunately they are 6 years old. New ones are coming in the mail. Drought-resistant seeds can be found at nativeseeds.org. Some seeds last for more than six years. I'll try them out this coming spring. I do expect that things will continue normally for a few more years, but you never know. The way I look at it, I pay big bucks for car insurance, I can get alot of prep stuff for alot less. Five gallon water buckets can be had dirt cheap at donut shops. Oh, and hot chili peppers make a good form of natural pesticide.

[Terran]

I do agree it's not a good idea. I do think alot of people for go for it anyways, in order to escape their problems. Alot of people just don't want to deal with reality. I see the case of this is some of the really nasty neighborhoods, like say for instance the Tenderlone district of San Francisco, there's junkies everywhere. Maybe uses of substance will be widespread as poverty and misery takes it roots.

[eric_b]

Reminds me of the time by brother an I literally 'jumped' the fence at a local public garden one
night in late June/early July. The mission, which was accomplished, was to harvest
a bunch of poppy flowers that had just finished flowering. We took the seed pods the
flowers were attached to. Cut these up (full of those tiny black seeds) and boil for about half
an hour. The resulting tea, about a liter of it, was milky and green. Strain off the seeds and goo.
Quaff the tea, which tastes like green beans and butter and green. Not too bad actually. This
is followed by nausea, then euphoria and numbness.

Great stuff. Hard to argue with that feeling. I'm glad it's not legal cuz I'd probably be a
junky.

Yeah, poppy flowers are legal. They can be found in many people gardens around here (heh).
I suppose if you wanted to be organized about it you could slit the flower pods and slowly
collect the goo that oozes out - but you can get the same effect by chopping up the seed
pods after the flower withers and making a tea with them. Takes about 20-40 seeds pod
to get the full effect (at least for me).

Many of the poppy plants/flowers are quite lovely and ornamental.

And make certain you've identified the flower correctly! SOme species of poppy don't
contain many opiates - others are loaded with them.

Perhaps someday I'll share my harrowing story of datura (jimson/loco weed) ingestation.
The most f*cked up I've ever been, and that's saying something in my case. I've tried
many legal herbs that you can grow if you want. The datura made acid look like a walk in the
park. It was strong, but not recreational - I've no desire to try that again.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')Perhaps someday I'll share my harrowing story of datura (jimson/loco weed) ingestation.
The most f*cked up I've ever been, and that's saying something in my case. I've tried
many legal herbs that you can grow if you want. The datura made acid look like a walk in the
park. It was strong, but not recreational - I've no desire to try that again.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')And make certain you've identified the flower correctly! SOme species of poppy don't
contain many opiates - others are loaded with them.