[Wolfrider]

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

the word tribulation is the translated from the greek word thlipsis, which means...

1) a pressing, pressing together, pressure
2) metaph. oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits

We are going into global energy straits, as if we are being forced down a road which gets narrower and narrower. We will all be under mega-pressure due to a range of global energy problems.

There is only one solution, but it is not man made.

[jato]

[jato takes the bait]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is only one solution, but it is not man made.

[bobcousins]

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is only one solution, but it is not man made.

[seahorse]

Jato,

Don't listen to him, turn around and walk towards the light!

[Lokutus]

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There is only one solution, but it is not man made.

[peaker_2005]

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There is only one solution, but it is not man made.

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

I think there's going to be plenty of religious statements coming in the future. As "God" and "Nature" are basically one and the same, it all fits.

Man thinks he's bigger than nature (God), and painfully finds out he isn't.

[Daculling]

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[PhilBiker]

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is only one solution, but it is not man made.

[Wolfrider]

Does anyone really believe that mankind can survive when all natural resources are finite? Does anyone believe that governments will be able to deliver us? Don't think so. History shows us than men would rather go to war rather than share.

Anyway, a clue or two about the future.

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

First the bad news. We are going to go through a period of immense pressure, stress and warfare as men scramble desperately for control of dwindling resources. Now the good news. Afterwards comes the global theocratic government under the rulership of the returned Christ Jesus. We can have a place in it, if we choose to listen to God now and abide by His terms and conditions.

[pip]

Ah, the Tower of Babel. I've thought quite a bit about that.

When you believe that peak oil is imminent, you can draw a lot of similarities between that story and our current progress toward a more and more secular, egocentric culture.

[AmericanEmpire]

There's no way in hell we are gonna not have a world war when the oil starts to run out. Every country is gonna fight over the remains like a bunch of hungry dogs fighting over raw meat.

People are not gonna try a peaceful powerdown.

When fat assed Americans can't get gasoline for their SUV's anymore, have lost their jobs, and their family is starving they are gonna support a war for oil. Bush won't have to lie about it anymore.

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pip', 'A')h, the Tower of Babel. I've thought quite a bit about that.

When you believe that peak oil is imminent, you can draw a lot of similarities between that story and our current progress toward a more and more secular, egocentric culture.

[jato]

Jesus comes back to kick some ass in the Book of Revelations:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')9:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

19:12
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

19:14
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

19:16
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

19:17
And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

19:18
That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19:19
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

[Omnitir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wolfrider', '
')Does anyone really believe that mankind can survive when all natural resources are finite?

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')cience will save us. Religion always has, and always will, make life far worse for us all.

[Omnitir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')cience will save us. Religion always has, and always will, make life far worse for us all.

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ure you can call if faith if you want. But it’s faith in logic as opposed to faith in magic.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '
')Logic tells me that if we don't colonize space, we will eventually exhaust the finite resources on our planet.

[Wolfrider]

Hi Guys, glad to have sparked a lively debate.

So the universe has plenty of resources for man to use eh? What are they, let me think, oh yes, rock, rocks and more rock. No atmosphere whatsoever and no water. How mad is this idea! It is simply evidence of a futile misplaced faith in science. If science was so great and able to solve all our problems, by now we should have cured all disease and be enjoying an unlimited lifespan! Alas not. Science has indeed solved some problems and gives us some benefits, but it will never solve the massive problems that we will experience soon. You fail to factor in the impact of corrupt human nature.

My point about governments was missed. Human Governments will fail. The coming Government of Christ will not have any men in it. He will preside over a government a government of immortalised saints, who in this life have obeyed him. I appreciate that this will be a fantastic idea to some, but its not like we have not been told about it before. Its all recorded in black and white and has been for a very long time. Sadly to many choose to ignore it.

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Christ will indeed wage warfare, indeed the war to end all wars, when He returns. This will be necessary as there will still be some who want to do things their way, not His.

Finally lets look at some evidence. Conclusive proof that things will ultimately be done as the Bible explains.

Ezekiel 37

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

And what happened in May 1948? What do the history books tell us?

I rest my case.