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Crash 101, part of the Demosphere project

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Crash 101, part of the Demosphere project

Unread postby Cleisthenis » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 01:04:08

As part of the Demosphere project we have started work on a collective publication, entitled "Crash 101". For a backgrounder on myself and the project see my thread in the Welcome forum link

The objective (on our wiki) is to 'open-source' the development of a survival guide for a potential economic collapse (or depression).

In this thread I'd like to discuss the viability of such a publication, and explore different resources both on and off peakoil.com to research in this endeavour. Thoughts?
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Cleisthenis » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 01:50:31

That's okay if not later then your support is appreciated! :)
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 09:04:09

Please define "open-source." That's one of those fancy modern business terms, isn't it? Probably has its origin in the IT tower of babel.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Cleisthenis » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 09:14:08

Lol. In this case it's meant that it is in a wiki environment.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 09:17:34

"A wiki environment"? Are you joking? Does that mean somewhere on the island of Wiki?
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Cleisthenis » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 09:21:16

It means that if you want to get involved in this, you can make edits along with others. Collective publication. Wiki.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 09:25:21

Never hoid of it, but I'm learning.

Another thing I want to know: When did people start talking about "edits" rather than "editing" or "changes"? Instead of "edit" or "editing," now it's "make edits." Yuck. Another way among zillions that the computer crowd has shot our language all to hell.

(I voice this frustration as someone who's been an editor for 27 years and witnessed massive deterioration of English.)
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Cleisthenis » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 09:33:27

Yeah you should check it out then. In wiki jargon, when you make a change or contribution to an article, it is considered making an 'edit'.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby o2ny » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 09:47:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')ever hoid of it, but I'm learning.

Another thing I want to know: When did people start talking about "edits" rather than "editing" or "changes"? Instead of "edit" or "editing," now it's "make edits." Yuck. Another way among zillions that the computer crowd has shot our language all to hell.

(I voice this frustration as someone who's been an editor for 27 years and witnessed massive deterioration of English.)


'In my day we all used to speak proper English...', oh c'mon now

Are we all supposed to talk in Shakesperean English now? Or stay fixed in your perfect ideal of what English is supposed to be while the world moves through huge technological change? Languages constantly change and evolve to suit the times... Sorry you're frustrated but there's really no getting around it.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Cleisthenis » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 10:41:08

memeshift etc.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 11:08:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('o2ny', '[')'In my day we all used to speak proper English...', oh c'mon now
Are we all supposed to talk in Shakesperean English now? Or stay fixed in your perfect ideal of what English is supposed to be while the world moves through huge technological change? Languages constantly change and evolve to suit the times... Sorry you're frustrated but there's really no getting around it.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 14:34:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('o2ny', ''')In my day we all used to speak proper English...', oh c'mon now
--snip-- Sorry you're frustrated but there's really no getting around it.
This isn't about evolution of language, it's about devolution of language, as well as its misuse to mask ulterior business and political motives.

As Greece and then the Roman Empire declined, Greek and Latin became degraded and bastardized. They communicated less clearly, less efficiently, and less artistically. The same thing is happening to English as our own empire gets long in the tooth.

Tell me, in what way is "to make edits" superior to "to edit"? You can't, because it isn't.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby rkerver » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 14:42:03

Didn't vote because I'm part of the great middle class and you left no room for the middle. Its where I get to say maybe. Only history proves men and their ideas great.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 14:42:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cleisthenis', 'Y')eah you should check it out then. In wiki jargon, when you make a change or contribution to an article, it is considered making an 'edit'.


No, making changes to an article is editing, not "making edits." Do you see how ridiculous the latter is, by contrast? It's barely even English---sounds like something an immigrant might say.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby rkerver » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 14:46:13

I'd rather 'make' an editor. Is she pretty, this wiki?
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 14:46:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rkerver', 'I')'d rather 'make' an editor. Is she pretty, this wiki?


Most female editors are not pretty, even those from wikiland. Take it from me.
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Cleisthenis » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 18:27:18

Haha, I can't help the jargon I've inherited from the wiki community. :(
What shall we say instead when someone makes a specific edit to an article? Anyways, this is rather off topic now. :razz:
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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 20 Oct 2005, 18:38:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'M')ost female editors are not pretty, even those from wikiland. Take it from me.


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Re: = Crash 101 =

Unread postby Cleisthenis » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 00:47:13

Back on topic. Does anyone have any links to books or online resources for the topic of surviving the collapse?
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