[k_semler]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

I say it is time we follow the guidance of the Declaration of Independence.

http://www.dopcampaign.org/read_bill.htm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')EC. 108. OFFICE OF ARMS CONTROL AND DISARMAMENT a) IN GENERAL- There shall be in the Department an Office of Arms Control and Disarmament, the head of which shall be the Assistant Secretary of Arms Control and Disarmament. The Assistant Secretary of Arms Control and Disarmament shall carry out those functions in the Department affecting arms control programs and arms limitation agreements.

(b) RESPONSIBILITIES- The Assistant Secretary of Arms Control and Disarmament shall-- (1) advise the Secretary on all interagency discussions and all international negotiations regarding the reduction and elimination of weapons of mass destruction throughout the world, including the dismantling of such weapons and the safe and secure storage of materials related thereto; (2) assist nations, international agencies and nongovernmental organizations in assessing the locations of the buildup of nuclear arms; (3) develop nonviolent strategies to deter the testing or use of offensive or defensive nuclear weapons, whether based on land, air, sea, or in outer space; (4) serve as a depository for copies of all contracts, agreements, and treaties that deal with the reduction and elimination of nuclear weapons or the protection of outer space from militarization; and (5) provide technical support and legal assistance for the implementation of such agreements

[boilingleadbath]

How many civillians do you know who own nukes?
Must be interesting to know people like that...

[k_semler]

Its the "Arms Control" and "Disarmament" that make me pissed off. If it were only about nuclear weapons, why not replace those terms with "Nuclear Non-Proliferation", and "Deactivation"? Plus the NPT was tried before. Look how successful that was. Oh yeah, I forgot. The DPRK doesn't have nukes, nor do India or Pakistan. Wasn't it in 1997 that they kept on doing nuke tests closer and closer to the border, and Newsweek was warning about a reigonal nuclear holocaust? That is 8 years after the Berlin wall got tore down.

[GreyGhost]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'i')t is their duty, to throw off such Government

[Chocky]

That agreement or office or whatever is only concerned with nuclear weapons.

[k_semler]

Only concerning nuclear weapons huh? Than why is this page: http://www.dopcampaign.org/stats.htm so concerned with handheld weapons, and not thermonuclear devices? It seems like the agenda is for civillian disarmament to me. As far as I am concerned, the UN can kiss my hairy ass. I WILL NOT bow down to a foriegn power telling me how to live my life, and what I can own or not. Wars were fought over less.

[Shadizar]

The movement to disarm is very alarming to me. When it comes down to it, individual ownership of weapons is the only power that "the people" have. History is full of dictators and madmen whose first acts where to disarm their people (and their enemies).

Disarming a populace to me means that you can no longer trust them. If you can't trust yourselves to behave like rational human beings then your society is already lost. I would rather trust my neighbor (or myself for that matter) than someone who lives hundreds of miles away, and may not be acting in my best interests.

This doesn't mean that firearms should be left out unsecured for children to stumble upon. Education and safety should come first when dealing with any weapon, be it a knife, axe, blowgun, or firearm.

Finally, criminals generally don't buy firearms legitimately anyway. All that disarming the general populace would do is make criminals stronger and cause the creation of an even larger black market. I for one will bury my guns and claim them "stolen" before giving up my firearms.

-Shadizar

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shadizar', 'T')he movement to disarm is very alarming to me. When it comes down to it, individual ownership of weapons is the only power that "the people" have. History is full of dictators and madmen whose first acts where to disarm their people (and their enemies).

Disarming a populace to me means that you can no longer trust them. If you can't trust yourselves to behave like rational human beings then your society is already lost. I would rather trust my neighbor (or myself for that matter) than someone who lives hundreds of miles away, and may not be acting in my best interests.

This doesn't mean that firearms should be left out unsecured for children to stumble upon. Education and safety should come first when dealing with any weapon, be it a knife, axe, blowgun, or firearm.

Finally, criminals generally don't buy firearms legitimately anyway. All that disarming the general populace would do is make criminals stronger and cause the creation of an even larger black market. I for one will bury my guns and claim them "stolen" before giving up my firearms.

-Shadizar

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('boilingleadbath', 'H')ow many civillians do you know who own nukes?
Must be interesting to know people like that...

[ubercrap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shadizar', '
')Finally, criminals generally don't buy firearms legitimately anyway.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercrap', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shadizar', '
')Finally, criminals generally don't buy firearms legitimately anyway.