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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 03:40:16

How dare you.
Muslims are a people of peace. Their religion is the religion of peace, they preach understanding and tolerance. Muslims would NEVER hijack planes, blow up busses, kill schollchildren, bomb innocent civilians, plan biological/nuclear attacks against unarmed peoples.......


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Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 04:01:19

London, Paris, NYC, San Francisco, some places in the US Midwest that have surprisingly large muslim enclaves, anywhere there are Muslim populations of any size trying to enlarge into non-muslim territory.
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Unread postby Raxozanne » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 04:14:19

The problem is that the fundamental muslims want to assimilate everyone with their 'convert or die' policy.

Well maybe I don't want to wear a burka or have people mutilating my genitals thanks! :x :x :x
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Unread postby Jake_old » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 09:20:06

Luton and Dunstable, constant simmering distrust of people, waiting to boil over.

Mancester & Bradford

Blackburn & Burnley

Bristol...(A lot of them begin with 'B') hmmm

I'm sure you Americans don't know where I mean, but imagine a mixed up American town where no one has a gun except the criminals and the police. It will look like rampaging hoards of barbarians.
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Unread postby Ercole » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 09:50:21

We'll probably have to expell them to their primitive countries, even if they are born in Europe - the million french expelled from Algéria where all born in Algeria, and a big part since many generation.... But what did the arabs say ?
"The suitcase or the coffin"...

In fact Japan do that I think, if the son of immigrates born in japan becomes a criminal, they expel the whole family...

Funny, since a few months ago, someone tolm me that french had become racists and it was a shame... That Israel was an apartheid state..., etc...

Then...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jerusalem Post', 'I')DF troops train with NATO for 1st time

By ARIEH O'SULLIVAN

Soldiers from the infantry's noncommissioned officers course participated in a recent NATO exercise in Ukraine, the first time field troops have ever trained with the force.

The drill dealt mainly with antiterrorism combat and low-intensity conflict, but it also symbolized an increasing participation of Israeli forces in NATO.

Two platoon commanders and 11 other commanders from the IDF's NCO officers school based in the Negev participated.

"We are trying to pass on to them our knowledge and experiences," said Col. Alon Friedman, commander of the NCO base.

"NATO also has experience with terrorism in light of their efforts to promote peace, and we also learned from them," he told The Jerusalem Post.

The exercise took place at a large military base in Ukraine and lasted for two-and-a-half weeks. The troops returned home last week, Friedman said.
"This is the first time that soldiers on a tactical level have participated in any NATO military exercise," he said. "There have been senior commanders who have gone to NATO events as well as consultants, but never combatants like this."

Friedman said 22 nations sent military delegations to the exercise. They were split up into platoons of four squads each. The Israeli lieutenants were commanders of platoons. One company commander was Turkish and another was Romanian.

Orders were officially given in English, but at least one of the Israeli soldiers was born in the former Soviet Union and spoke Russian, which turned out to be one of the most common languages in the NATO drill due to the number of Russian-speaking countries which have joined.

"The soldiers felt as if the other armies viewed them as professionals and experts in their field," he said. "They were very much interested in how the IDF operates."

Friedman said each country's military delegation also demonstrated tactics to the others. He said the IDF delegation took first place in sharpshooting, which was also a mark of excellence for the new, Israeli-made Tavor assault rifle they used.

Friedman said the soldiers came away with a number of tips and examples in waging urban conflict from the other forces, including the impression that other armies tackled urban conflict in populated areas with a lot more force than the IDF.

"The soldiers reported that they were more aggressive than in our experience, which is ironic since the IDF has an image around the world of an aggressive army," he said.

Friedman said he was not privy to the diplomatic moves to get the IDF more involved in NATO, but he understood the initiative came from NATO.
"NATO was very interested in hearing of and learning from our experience," he said.
Earlier this month, a navy salvage ship returned after participating for the first time in a search and rescue drill with NATO navies off the Italian coast.

Israel is a member of NATO's Mediterranean Dialogue, which was launched to bolster regional security through cooperation with southern and eastern Mediterranean states. Other members include Algeria, Jordan, Mauritania, Morocco, Egypt and Tunisia. These countries did not send any troops to the military exercise in Ukraine.


Yep, suddenly Israel appears very sympathetic... :-D
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Unread postby threadbear » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 12:18:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'L')ondon, Paris, NYC, San Francisco, some places in the US Midwest that have surprisingly large muslim enclaves, anywhere there are Muslim populations of any size trying to enlarge into non-muslim territory.


Plant, It's not an 'invading' force. That many Muslims are repulsed by Western culture and have no wish to assimilate IS a problem, though. A huge problem, and as Leaf describes, is very likely going to get worse.

A multicultural mosaic morphs into a crazy quilt of Balkanized tensions when placed under stress. It also lays bare the utter vanity and shallow assumptions of the West; that once exposed to Western culture, all cultures will want to be 'like us'. Hell, I was raised in North America and I think the culture is as pathological as anything the Arabs have fashioned. We have nicer stuff, is all.

The relationship that Muslims have with the established European order is not symbiotic, as the one worlders would have us believe. It is a text book example of mutual parasitism.
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Unread postby Jake_old » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 12:59:42

Sadly I think you are spot on leaf, gloomy.

This particular politacally correct liberal has never been fond of multi-culturalism, but rather of culture differences accepted with a live and let live attitude. Cheap energy would have made this a possibility.

Well, now we can see the end of cheap energy, but don't be too hard on those of us who would like to see (or have seen)harmony, it may become self evident that tribalism will win in the end and after a population reduction, seperate cultural identity with a live and let live attitude will be the way forward.

I don't think many people know whats comming, whatever culture they belong to.
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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 13:19:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')London, Paris, NYC, San Francisco, some places in the US Midwest that have surprisingly large muslim enclaves, anywhere there are Muslim populations of any size trying to enlarge into non-muslim territory.


Are some of you TRYING to make it worse?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e'll probably have to expell them to their primitive countries, even if they are born in Europe - the million french expelled from Algéria where all born in Algeria, and a big part since many generation.... But what did the arabs say ?
"The suitcase or the coffin"...


What if somebody is 1/4 Arab or something? Do we cut off 1/4 of their bodies and ship them back to (insert Arab country here)? And also, define "primitive"?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n fact Japan do that I think, if the son of immigrates born in japan becomes a criminal, they expel the whole family...


Where do you get your news sources from? I ASSURE you that is not true.
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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 13:25:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')is entire political correctness is really a new thing. Established around the 1960's and strongly enforced around the late 1970's. It has prospered during the good times on the iupslope of the Hubbert peak bell curve.


So when times get rough we simply HAVE to hate other people?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nteresting as I read my history of the last 1,000 years. The Muslims were not looked upon very well in Western Civilization. They were strongly kept out


So were the Mongols, should we hate them too?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think those of Muslim or other races who now reside in Western Europe really have no clue whats coming down the pike. Not only are these monthly bombings in places like Madrid and London starting to show how wonderful multi-culturalism is.


Do abortion clinic bombings show how wonderfull a homogenic(sp?) population is?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Peak oil, consummer debt, housing bubble, national debt, boomers coming of age all within the next 5-10 years....now I wonder whenall these things happed already we would be 5 yrs into the decline of oil and gas...and a dirty bomb would go off in say Paris or London.....


Then people of ALL races/religions would ALL die and that would be less strain for recources... good for us.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think in the days ahead their is going to be a very serve backlash against "political correctness" against Muslims and probally other races residing in the Western nations.

Because somehow they are ALL bad people.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')When the economy goes down the toilet, weekly bombings in cities, people losing their jobs and homes, unable to commute, probally having a hard time feeding theirselves. This is the future, even on the MOST Optomistic peak oil crusader.

Weekly bombings in cities, more food for the rest of us unless you are one of the unlucky to be bombed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd for all you lovers of thee Muslims and multi -culturalism. I employ thee come peak oil....give 75% of your rations to the Muslims and illegals in your nations

So are you implying some invisiable finger is going to force us to give our rations to Muslim people? Have you notied that other races live in Europe too?

I am not giving up my rations but I don't think I can ever get myself to blindly hate people.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')beral political correct people come 10 years post peak would give 1 oz of bread to these people.

No I wouldn't, unless times were good. But does not giving them food equate to hating them and advocating mass-genocide?
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Unread postby Ercole » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 14:55:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'W')hat if somebody is 1/4 Arab or something? Do we cut off 1/4 of their bodies and ship them back to (insert Arab country here)?


Now that you said it, I remember the whites who refused to leave their homeland were cut into pieces or simply shot. The half white half arab who helped France were deported and killed too.

About "primitive", yes you read it well, considering the kind of government they have (kings or dictators), considering what they brought to civilization in the 20th century and considering how they treat women, non muslims and soft muslims, yes they are bloody primitive....

Now please don't comment each word - are you a bloody teacher or what - I ain't your pupil showing you the professor his copy, let's talk but stop correcting me like if I have made mistakes. That you don't agree, that's your right, stop pretending you're better than me by correcting every word you don't like, it's real pissing...
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Unread postby threadbear » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 15:04:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ercole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'W')hat if somebody is 1/4 Arab or something? Do we cut off 1/4 of their bodies and ship them back to (insert Arab country here)?


Now that you said it, I remember the whites who refused to leave their homeland were cut into pieces or simply shot. The half white half arab who helped France were deported and killed too.

About "primitive", yes you read it well, considering the kind of government they have (kings or dictators), considering what they brought to civilization in the 20th century and considering how they treat women, non muslims and soft muslims, yes they are bloody primitive....

Now please don't comment each word - are you a bloody teacher or what - I ain't your pupil showing you the professor his copy, let's talk but stop correcting me like if I have made mistakes. That you don't agree, that's your right, stop pretending you're better than me by correcting every word you don't like, it's real pissing...


Congratulations, Tony Blair, and George Bush!!

You've turned a tragedy of your own making into a propaganda coup that justifies your sick war. Good on you. You the ones!!!!

You'll get your lovely war of civilizations yet. Ongoing, and fuelled by retaliatory acts of terrorism into perpetuity. Right on. High five to the arms industry. 8O

Just a damned shame these little acts didn't happen before the Downing street memo was widely circulated. But that 'little bit of unpleasantness' seems to be history now. COOL.
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Unread postby KiddieKorral » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 15:09:47

Interesting how you see Islam as monolithic and homogenous. Let me assure you that it's anything but.
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Unread postby KiddieKorral » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 15:19:16

It is hate. And those quotes should show everyone that hate is not the exclusive attribute of a certain group of people, but is a disgraceful quality that anyone can be cursed with.

Stop the presses! I agree with Leaf!
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Unread postby Jake_old » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 16:19:43

You tell em KiddieKorral, those without hate are also blessed with a lack of fear.
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Unread postby erl » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 20:41:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', 'Y')ou tell em KiddieKorral, those without hate are also blessed with a lack of fear.


I have been pondering the issue of Islam / Western relations for a while. I must confess, I have no muslims in my close circle of friends. This is not because I avoid them. It's more that we don't cross paths. So much for my full disclosure.

I have never considered myself afraid of Islam. It was just different. I didn't agree with much of it, but still, it was no cause for alarm.

Lately, however, that has changed, at least in my own life. I am beginning to feel afraid. I don't make excuses for it. I don't say it's acceptable. I'm just stating a fact.

Maybe that is exactly what the terrorists want to accomplish with their bombs. Make the west fear islam. Provoke a wider war. A clash of cultures, so to speak.

So, when I saw the above post by Redjake, it really struck a nerve, thinking that fear turns to hate.

I don't hate muslims.

At least not yet.
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Unread postby erl » Sun 24 Jul 2005, 20:47:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'â')€œ3. Any individual with another nationality (except for Israel) may obtain Iraqi nationality...


I saw this yesterday, Leaf, and I was quite irritated.

Even if there were no other reason for doing so, this would be cause enough for us to pull our troops out of Iraq and let them slug each other to pieces.
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