[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')No racial profiling will be allowed," Mr. Kelly said. "It's against our policies. But it will be a systematized approach."

[I_Like_Plants]

In a way that makes sense, since *anyone* could have become a Muslim and decide to be a bomber, frankly if you're a little old lady with creaky joints and aches and pains, it could be a way to go out with a bang, or it could be some icy blue eyed icelander, but the reality is that there's a definate profile. No Tim McVeighs, no little old ladies from pasadena, even the "american" bombers have shown to be of middle eastern heritage.

We need to get Richard Dawkins in on this ..... maybe he can explain the pattern......

[The_Toecutter]

Unless they have that warrant or court issued 'probable cause', what business do they have searching anyone?

Article IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[PlanComplete]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'U')nless they have that warrant or court issued 'probable cause', what business do they have searching anyone?

Article IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[Eli]

Cops working this kind of job may or may not run you in for drugs. If you had a small amount of pot you would probably just be given a warning. Crank or heroin would be a different story.

They are going to have to be at every stop. This is a massive under taking.

[PlanComplete]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'C')ops working this kind of job may or may not run you in for drugs. If you had a small amount of pot you would probably just be given a warning. Crank or heroin would be a different story.

They are going to have to be at every stop. This is a massive under taking.

[Specop_007]

Welcome to the politically correct climate we live in, thanks to the Democrats and every more liberal organizations such as the ACLU.

"Muslims want to bomb us, and we'll search to stop that. But we wont search Muslims"

Whiskey.....
Tango........
Foxtrot.......
Over.

[Aaron]

I gotta agree...

It's a pretty sad, & pathetic circumstance we have here.

Our Gynocracy has "thrown out the baby with the bathwater", and become unbalanced.

This is all about fear of liability, not some moral concern for the sanctity of life.

TPTB are afraid of the consequences of being accused of not acting.

Sometimes I gotta tell ya, I look around me & think, "Where the hell did all these wenises come from!?!"

When I think of the sacrifices and hardships my grandfather made so I could be here... what I feel is shame.

We are the boiling frog people.

The change is so gradual, almost nobody notices. Until one day you look around you, and see as if for the first time, the terrible contradiction of this modern world.

We are going to search AMERICAN CITIZENS at random because our politicians are scared of liability, while we sit passively as hundreds of thousands die miserable and horrible deaths around the world?

We fiddle... Rome burns.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')elcome to the politically correct climate we live in, thanks to the Democrats and every more liberal organizations such as the ACLU.

"Muslims want to bomb us, and we'll search to stop that. But we wont search Muslims"

Whiskey.....
Tango........
Foxtrot.......
Over.

[sklump]

... but who's more likely to deal drugs from the privacy of their home?

Definitely not the dropout. The 9-to-5er on the QT. Hell, if they wanted to profile a gold-mine for illicit drug activity, they would nab executives and advertisers for cocaine, software engineers for cannabis, and doctors for painkillers.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sklump', '.').. but who's more likely to deal drugs from the privacy of their home?

Definitely not the dropout. The 9-to-5er on the QT. Hell, if they wanted to profile a gold-mine for illicit drug activity, they would nab executives and advertisers for cocaine, software engineers for cannabis, and doctors for painkillers.

[PenultimateManStanding]

They aren't looking for coke dealers, they're looking for people who would set off bombs to kill as many as possible. People who are most likely of Middle Eastern or Southwest Asian origins. Now they are wasting valuable resources for the very reason that Aaron mentioned, to avoid litigation. It's not smart. If the idea is to prevent suicide bombers from succeeding, then the group producing such creatures needs to be searched. Common sense. Its unfortunate to the law abiding members of the said group, but they would be allowed to go on their way after it is clear they have no bombs. A small price to pay for being members of an ethnic group that has produced the threat. I think we allowed ourselves to get into to such an impractical situation like this because we are so rich and wealthy as a society that we can afford to be concerned with niceties. That won't last much longer than the onset of PO or the next few big terrorist attacks.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Another point I would like to make. Individual Civil Liberties is a cornerstone of our society which is now being used against us by members of a certain ethnic group. They use Western values against the West to allow them to conduct their activities. It seems to me to be easier for them to do that now here in the West than in places like Algeria or Egypt where they are rounded up. The Islamicist Movement failed everywhere but in The Sudan, Afghanistan, and for the Shi'ites in Iran. Now they bring it to the West. Its the latest round of a historical fight. They know our weak point which is our open society which protects individual rights. Our response is stupidity. To protect everyone's Civil Rights we search everyone. Ironic, huh? Better to search the ethnic group making the bombs and leave everyone else alone. The enemy knows us all too well.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')nother point I would like to make. Individual Civil Liberties is a cornerstone of our society which is now being used against us by members of a certain ethnic group. They use Western values against the West to allow them to conduct their activities. It seems to me to be easier for them to do that now here in the West than in places like Algeria or Egypt where they are rounded up. The Islamicist Movement failed everywhere but in The Sudan, Afghanistan, and for the Shi'ites in Iran. Now they bring it to the West. Its the latest round of a historical fight. They know our weak point which is our open society which protects individual rights. Our response is stupidity. To protect everyone's Civil Rights we search everyone. Ironic, huh? Better to search the ethnic group making the bombs and leave everyone else alone. The enemy knows us all too well.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
')
Random searches, my friend. Only way to do it without profiling.
Common sense dictates that you search ANY person carrying large bags onto the subway, not just those of Middle-eastern decent.
When's the next McVeigh going to shake things up with your definition of a "terrorist"? What do we do then? Search all white men with army crew cuts? We'll be here all night.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
')
Random searches, my friend. Only way to do it without profiling.
Common sense dictates that you search ANY person carrying large bags onto the subway, not just those of Middle-eastern decent.
When's the next McVeigh going to shake things up with your definition of a "terrorist"? What do we do then? Search all white men with army crew cuts? We'll be here all night.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
')
I agree, checking out little blue-haired ladies makes no sense, BUT you have to be more creative than "middle-eastern men with bags" because, as I said, terrorists aren't static. We could easily see an upsurge in women with baby stroller-bombs as well. You name it. What will it be next time?

[J-Rod]

I found this in the comments section of the blog, Gives you a good idea of what it feels like to be on the wrong end of the stick, and why civil liberties are important. Man are we in a fucking mess.

http://69.93.170.43/index.php

[The_Toecutter]

These assholes have as much right to search anyone as for themselves to have a bullet put in their head.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The DHS says we affirm that terrorists want to bomb the subways we have probable cause as London and the Gitmo detainee's say it can be done we request the right to search bags on those wanting to enter the subway.