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Great New "World Energy Simulator"

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 03 May 2005, 14:46:45

http://www.saintmarys.edu/~rtarara/DOWNLOADS.html

Download the first thing on the page in order to get the USA energy simulator. This one slowly phases out oil and natural gas from the energy picture (perhaps a little too slowly). It gives you a budget and a myriad of alternative sources to choose from. Your goal is to spend your budget on the sources of energy that will allow you to maintian US economic growth without using up too much land for solar and wind power (we have to eat ya know :razz: ). I think it's a fairly reasonable simulator if your goal is economic growth.

Download the second simulator in order to get the world energy picture. This allows you to see the global perspective. Oil and Gas aren't naturally phased out. It is up to us peakers to force a reduction in the use of oil and gas (by asking that it's use by "reduced for environmental reasons). This one allows you to change the growth of the human population. I made the growth rate 6% ( :-D ) and I found it impossible to avoid a complete economic collapse. The goal is also to keep the average standard of living from dropping below 50% of its current level. If you allows this to happen, it's over.

Please download these two simulators and tell me what you think.
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Unread postby tdrive » Tue 03 May 2005, 16:19:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lease download these two simulators and tell me what you think.


There is a bug in the nuke adjustment ratio in the world program.

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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 03 May 2005, 17:04:36

Oh, I didn't know that. Sorry guys. BTW, what kind of bug? I didn't really notice it...
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Unread postby tdrive » Tue 03 May 2005, 18:42:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h, I didn't know that. Sorry guys. BTW, what kind of bug? I didn't really notice it...


You can only decrease, but cannot increase the ratio.

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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 03 May 2005, 19:02:36

But other than that, is it a good program?

I think it's way too optimistic about renewable energy sources and it doesn't show the economic disaster that would result from a massive increase in taxation to fund a big renewable energy push...but other than that, it's somewhat useful.

I personally like how it puts a cap on the number of solar plants/wind plants/coal plants/etc that one can build in 5 years. Allowing people to build unlimited numbers of plants would be crazy and unrealistic.
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Unread postby tdrive » Wed 04 May 2005, 02:26:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut other than that, is it a good program?


First, it is wonderful that people spend time on things like that,
at the same time, for free.

I cannot comment on the analytics behind, since I do not know
what is in the model, but usability-wise has a lot to be improved.
Get rid of the pretty pictures first.
It seems like done by a high-school programmer who just got
his hands on Visual Basic.

At least convert those BMP to PNG or something, you got
less than a meg executables and 100+ meg pix.

Plus, performance sucks. It should not take such a long time to solve.
What did you use to write it? Also, how did you calibrate your model?

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Unread postby Raxozanne » Wed 04 May 2005, 02:33:15

We at least he gave it go, that's what is important.
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Wed 04 May 2005, 16:31:08

I really should stop claiming ownership over things I find (I'm turning into a software Imperialist :) ). No, I didn't make it. I spent about 30 minutes looking for it and found it.

If I had made it, I would have taken out the annoying pictures. Also, I would have made oil and gas deplete faster. Bio-mass can take up a maximum of 25% of all farmland, I think that's way too much if you remember that natural gas and oil are used to make fertilizers.

If you have any suggestions for the people who made it, I think they have an E-mail address.
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Unread postby Tanada » Wed 04 May 2005, 18:30:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')If I had made it, I would have taken out the annoying pictures. Also, I would have made oil and gas deplete faster. Bio-mass can take up a maximum of 25% of all farmland, I think that's way too much if you remember that natural gas and oil are used to make fertilizers.

If you have any suggestions for the people who made it, I think they have an E-mail address.


Have you read up on TDP? If it works as advertized crop residue alone would yaeild about 7 mbd every year in the USA alone, that could go a long way to replace petro-oil!
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