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Interesting Flub by S. Staniford

Unread postby JohnDenver » Tue 06 Nov 2007, 23:38:32

In 2005, Stuart Staniford forecast oil production based on two assumptions:

1) The decline rate of fields in place (FIP) is 8%. (I.e. if all new oil projects were halted, oil production would decline at a rate of 8% per year.)

2) Chris Skrebowski's list of mega projects coming on line.

His forecast failed by a huge margin of about 10mbd. This implies that either: the decline rate is much less than 8%, or Chris Skrebowski's list grossly understates the amount of new oil coming on line. Either way, this result puts a nice dent into the case for near-term pessimism.

Details here: INTERESTING FLUB BY STUART STANIFORD
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Re: Interesting Flub by S. Staniford

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 06 Nov 2007, 23:57:57

Welcome back, JD.

Everybody seems to miss having a few PO skeptics/deniers/cornucopians around. Hopefully, you won't encounter undue hostility.

Christ! Ya gotta have people to argue with otherwise it's no fun.

Check in at the 2004 alumni thread! And put your thought-bubble avatar back in place.
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Re: Interesting Flub by S. Staniford

Unread postby SchroedingersCat » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 00:08:15

I thought you were dead. Or banned. Whatever.

I have no idea why you're attacking Stuart over this. He was taking figures from Exxon's decline and extrapolating that to the planet. He was also working with the data available at the time, which showed a greater decline rate.

Exxon, and the Implications of 8%

In 2005 oil was about 1/2 the price it is now. We still have not exceeded the 2005 C&C production peak or the July 2006 all liquids.

Got a point here?

Edit: Added link to Stuart's original article for a "fair and balanced" viewpoint.
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Re: Interesting Flub by S. Staniford

Unread postby PraiseDoom » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 01:32:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'I')n 2005, Stuart Staniford forecast oil production based on two assumptions:

1) The decline rate of fields in place (FIP) is 8%. (I.e. if all new oil projects were halted, oil production would decline at a rate of 8% per year.)

His forecast failed by a huge margin of about 10mbd. This implies that either: the decline rate is much less than 8%,


8% declines have always been a make believe number. Any examination of a large geographical area with established production and a vibrant oil and gas industry makes this gaffe obvious.

Most hobbyists don't take into account the differences between established base production and new field production profiles.

Of course, its also quite obvious that 8% declines since peak happened a few years back, when matched with some of the silliness spouted about 8% increases in demand because of growing Chindia economies, such a numerical swing would result in a 2 year old production figure of only 72 MPO/D and a demand of 97 MBO/D.

I could calculate how many days required for such a scenario would wipe out every known tank farm and strategic reserve volume on the planet but that would lead me to say something silly like "do the math" and thats such an overused cliche.

In other words, 8% declines being the figment of someones imagination was expected.
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Re: Interesting Flub by S. Staniford

Unread postby diemos » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 01:34:50

Yup, instead of serious declines they managed to keep production limited to a small decline.

WE'RE SAVED!!! :roll:

Welcome back JD, it wasn't as much fun without you. Keep us on our toes.
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Re: Interesting Flub by S. Staniford

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 02:02:44

It was obvious from the first few posts that PD was you, JD. Why the lame second identity?

And how about that $98 crude and those dwindling inventories? How could such a thing be happening here at the outlet of the cornucopia? What's going on? What's the explanation?
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Re: Interesting Flub by S. Staniford

Unread postby Armageddon » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 02:20:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'P')raisedoom/JD/Lorenzo welcome back.

Cantarell, the world's 2nd largest oil field on the planet responsible for 5% of total US petroleum imports is declining at 16%/year. The North Sea region overall is declining at > 8% with mature major Norwegian fields typically closer to 15-25%/year.

The US is an exception because it was produced first, with early technology, under a very unique geologic, geographic, and economic regime. Do not expect other major modern fields to decline so gradually.


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Re: Interesting Flub by S. Staniford

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 11:25:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Z')ardoz you have me beat by 6 posts.

We spend way too much time here, don't we?

Meanwhile:

JD, whaddya think of the IEA's alarmist tone in their just-released report, which is being discussed in this thread?
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