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Peak Doom

Unread postby Cyrus » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 01:50:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')enezuela = 0 exports in 2008 - currently US 10% supply - or more
Indonesian = exports to near zero now, no more in future
Nigeria = all production off-line indefinitely
Mexico = zero exports within 4 years, probably much sooner
Iraq = can’t even fuel their own vehicles now
Iran = selling in Euro and/or Yen to Asia increasingly exclusively
Alaska = north slope fields in 12% / year decline
OPEC = fairy tale reserve (URR) claims, massive water cuts, increasingly sour, domestic and international political chaos approaching
North Sea = in permanent decline (UK already importing oil)
Deep-water - not found or tapped
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 02:00:17

Geez! And we think we're doomerish around here. We got nothin' on that guy.

Worst of all, he's correct.
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby Micki » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 02:49:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')igeria = all production off-line indefinitely

Did I miss something????
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Unread postby Narz » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 03:53:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'G')eez! And we think we're doomerish around here. We got nothin' on that guy.

Worst of all, he's correct.

How do you know he's correct?
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby eric_b » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 04:56:03

Peak doom? Are you kidding?

Not even close. The storm clouds are just starting to build.

We haven't even reached the appetizer yet.
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby Ayame » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 05:23:21

I don't feel too good anymore.
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 05:53:27

I believe venezuela is 0% exports of refined gasoline. They are still exporting oil. Big difference!
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby sirrom » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 08:49:27

do you notice how this guy doesn't provide any evidence or supporting data.

'nigeria-all production off-line' it wasn't the last time i checked
what did YOU do in the eco-war?

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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby TheTurtle » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 08:54:40

As I recall, survivalacres used to be a member who posted here regularly. He comes by his doom honestly. :P
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby strider3700 » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 12:45:41

If you look at the comments a lot of the regular doomers from here appear to be posting over there. The actual article was done by lonewolf another familiar name.
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 12:49:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'G')eez! And we think we're doomerish around here. We got nothin' on that guy.

Worst of all, he's correct.

How do you know he's correct?

Oh, I just generally feel that we're screwed, that's all. His tone is correct. He may be a bit shaky on a couple of the details, of course, such as Nigeria.
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby jdmartin » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 13:00:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'f')allout11 Says:
August 8th, 2007 at 5:46 am
Admin, Matt Savinar (LATOC) has a link to this post on his front page today.


That's what makes people end up thinking Savinar et al have no credibility. Lack of evidence on the post, conveniently leaving out Russia & Canada, and having an outrageous claim besides (Nigeria completely off line? Where does that come from) will make people who spend even half an hour researching this stuff think he's a kook. Obviously some of the post is credible - Indonesia, for example - but tossing some of that other stuff just to paint a worse picture just ends up discrediting the whole "movement", if you can call peak oil a movement...
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby gnm » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 13:01:32

I suppose it will be true soon enough... Nigeria for instance.. I freak when I start to think about how close we are to the formerly distant peaks in various countries and now the complications predicted by the export land models... 8O 8O

It sure does look like C&C peak was 2 years ago. So if the Hirsch report is even close... WE ARE SCREWED....

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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby DantesPeak » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 13:20:24

More than 90% of Nigerian refinery production is off line, possible that's what he is talking about. However it has been offline for some time.

In general, the writing style of the article needs a lot more facts to be convincing. Heck, if I wasn't spending so much time posting here, I could come up with a far better summary. :)
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 13:21:53

To those that complain, this looks almost like forward projections of current trends. Not as current realities.

Don't get bent out of shape about this.
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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby gnm » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 13:30:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'T')o those that complain, this looks almost like forward projections of current trends. Not as current realities.


True... But how forward....2-4 years maybe? tops?

8O

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Re: Peak Doom

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 08 Aug 2007, 13:50:42

Are these related to what you are talking about?

MBendi: Information for Africa Africa: Oil and Gas - Oil Refining
The major refining centres in Africa are in South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt and Algeria.
South Africa has 4 refineries and 3 synfuels plants.
• Caltex has a 5.5 million mt/yr (110,000 b/d) refinery in Cape Town.
• Shell and BP have joint ownership of the 8.2 million mt per annum (165,000 b/d) Sapref refinery in Durban.
• Engen has the 6 million mt/yr (125,000 b/d) Enref refinery in Durban.
• Sasol and Total have joint ownership of the 4.2 million mt/yr (85,000 b/d) Natref refinery in Sasolburg.
All the South African refineries have undergone major expansions and upgrading since 1990.
Nigeria has three refineries, all owned by the Nigerian National Petroleum Company, NNPC. The Nigerian government has announced its intention to sell 51% of each of the refineries in 2004.
• Kaduna refinery in northern Nigeria was built in 1980 with a capacity of 5.5 million mt/yr (110,000 b/d). A Lube Baseoil plant was added in 1982, and an LAB plant in 1987.
• Warri refinery in the south central region was built in 1978 with a capacity of 6.2 million mt/yr (125,000 b/d). A Carbon Black plant and a Polypropylene plant were added in 1986.
• Port Harcourt refinery in the southeast is made up of two refineries, built in 1965 and 1989. In 1993 they were merged into one, with a total capacity of 10.500 million mt/yr (210,000 b/d). The Eleme Petrochemical plant, which was built adjacent to the Port Harcourt refinery in 1995, has an Olefin production capacity of 483,000 mt/yr, a Polypropylene capacity of 80,000 mt/yr and a Polyethylene production capacity of 250,000 mt/yr.
The Nigerian oil industry has been impacted seriously by operational problems during recent years, and production has been below 50% of capacity.
Egypt has 9 refineries mostly concentrated in the northeast (Cairo, Alexandria, Suez). Egyptian General Petroleum Corp (EGPC) operates all but one of the refineries. The exception is the MIDOR Refinery in Alexandria.
• El Mex refinery in Alexandria is operated by the Alexandria Petroleum Company. It has a capacity of 100,000 b/d, and 22,500 b/d of vacuum distillation capacity. In addition it has a Lube Baseoil manufacturing plant and a Bitumen unit.
• Cairo Petroleum Refining Company in Mostorod, near Cairo. This refinery has a capacity of 145,000b/d.
• The El-Nasr Petroleum Company near Suez has a capacity of 99,300 b/d. It has a 35,000 b/d Hydrocracker and a Bitumen unit.
• The Amiriyah Petroleum Refining Company in Alexandria has a capacity of 78,000 b/d, and a 15,000 b/d vacuum distillation unit. It has a 9,000 b/d Alkylation unit, and a 2,000 b/d lube baseoil manufacturing unit.
• The Suez Petroleum Processing Company near Suez has a capacity of 66,400 b/d, and a 9,500 b/d vacuum distillation unit. It has a 16,400 b/d Delayed Coker, and a 1,000 b/d Lube Baseoil unit.
• The Asyut Petroleum Refining Company near the center of Egypt has a capacity of 47,000 b/d. This simple refinery has a small Naphtha Reformer, and is designed to supply product to the central and southern regions.
• The Tanta refinery near Port Said is operated by the Cairo Petroleum Refining Company. It has a capacity of 35,000 b/d. Other than a small Hydrotreating unit it has no upgrading capacity.
• The El-Nasr Petroleum Company operates the small Wadi Feran refinery on the Red Sea in the Gulf of Suez. It has capacity of 7,000 b/d, and was designed to service operations related to the Suez Canal.
• The Middle East Oil Refinery (MIDOR) was completed in 2002 in the Amiriyah Free Zone, Alexandria. It has a capacity of 100,000 b/d, and has a 35,000 b/d Hydrocracker, a 22,800 b/d Coker, and a 10,700 b/d Isomerisation unit. This is the only privately owned refinery in Egypt. It was originally a joint Egyptian/Israeli venture, but the Israeli shareholders sold out to the Egyptian National Bank in 2001.
Algeria is another major refining centre with 4 refineries.
• Algiers refinery, built in 1964, has a capacity of 60,000 b/d. It was built by CFP/Total to supply the main market. It has no cracking capacity, and no special units.
• Arzew refinery, built in 1973, has a capacity of 60,000 b/d. It was built by Sonatrach as an export refinery. It has no cracking facilities, but has Lube Baseoil (1984 built), and Bitumen units.
• Skikda refinery, built in 1980 (expanded in 1993), has a capacity of 300,000 b/d. It was built by Sonatrach as an export refinery and petrochemical complex. It has no cracking facilities, but has an Aromatics unit (BTX) and a Bitumen plant.
• Hassi Messaoud, a small refinery in southern Algeria, built in 1960, and expanded in 1979, has a capacity of 30,000 b/d.
The 6,000 b/d refinery in In Amenas was shutdown in 1986.

link: http://www.mbendi.co.za/indy/oilg/ogrf/af/p0005.htm
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