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A Crazy Idea: increase production with nuclear weapons

Unread postby SevenTen » Thu 17 May 2007, 16:54:18

Could you increase oil production from a field by tunneling beneath the field and detonating a low yield nuclear weapon, like a Davy Crocket [wiki]? Or, hell, even something bigger, like Fat Man [wiki]. Could that work?
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 17 May 2007, 18:56:31

ummm how exactly do you think this will work?

They nuked the oil shale in colorado back in the 60's or 70's. Ended up with radioactive oil and not enough of it to be worthwhile.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby dukey » Thu 17 May 2007, 19:07:43

lol
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 17 May 2007, 20:02:13

Some nut setting off a nuke above ground at an oilfield is a more likely scenario then one being set off below ground.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby Zentric » Thu 17 May 2007, 20:16:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'S')ome nut setting off a nuke above ground at an oilfield is a more likely scenario then one being set off below ground.


Since nuts are all that we're talking about, our Departments of Homeland Security and Energy should prepare for both scenarios, respectively.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby Newsseeker » Sat 19 May 2007, 10:05:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'S')ome nut setting off a nuke above ground at an oilfield is a more likely scenario then one being set off below ground.


Since nuts are all that we're talking about, our Departments of Homeland Security and Energy should prepare for both scenarios, respectively.


I think he means the oil company doing it. But I admit radioactive oil may not be a big seller. Especially if it has a 10,000 year half-life.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby sciencegirl » Mon 21 May 2007, 17:35:08

What if we replaced all city travel with trains and bicycles. Personal highway travel with motercycles, and working on having some kind of global population control. Less people equalling less demand.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 21 May 2007, 17:46:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', '.').. working on having some kind of global population control. Less people equalling less demand.



Good idea. Do you have any ideas about who are the people whose population you think should be controlled and reduced, and how the global population controls should be enforced?
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby sciencegirl » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:05:33

I think population control should be forced on all countries. It should be the most powerful country that first initiates it.

Example: The United States starts it. Then gets as many countries as it can to sign on. The puts strict trade embargo's on countries that do not sign. Those countries that do not sign will eventually go hungry from lack of resources. This will then make affording a home much more affordable too. Supply and demand.

I think people should never go hungry and always have a roof over their head. Booming populations and person greed cause much suffering in the world.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:13:08

You are right that greed and excess population growth are a recipe for disaster.

Fortunately, we are already halfway to ending population growth.

The rich and powerful countries already mostly have stable or negative population growth. The European countries, Russia, and Japan already have birthrates below replacement levels. The USA does too, except for the rapidly growing Hispanic population.

Its the poor countries of the world like Mexico and those in Africa and Asia (and the poor population within the US) that have rapidly increasing populations. Do you really want the US and other developed countries to put trade embargoes on all the poor countries of the world?
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby sciencegirl » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:17:14

"Its the poor countries of the world like Mexico and those in Africa and Asia (and the poor population within the US) that have rapidly increasing populations. Do you really want the US and other developed countries to put trade embargoes on all the poor countries of the world?"

YES..if they dont' sign the population control agreement then let them starve. I do think that poor governments may need the aid of wealthier countries to establish a mass sterilization program.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:19:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'W')hat if we replaced all city travel with trains and bicycles. Personal highway travel with motercycles, and working on having some kind of global population control. Less people equalling less demand.


You fucking Communist. To quote God in a Gilbert Ratchet comic strip, "prepare for a lightning bolt, right up the jacksy!!"
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:23:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', '
')YES..if they dont' sign the population control agreement then let them starve. I do think that poor governments may need the aid of wealthier countries to establish a mass sterilization program.



Wow. You go, grrl!

I'm definitely going to read your posts from now on.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby sciencegirl » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:23:49

I am a communist your damn right. Just like the borg. Capitalism only works for the rich. If you have no money then you are a slave to the capitalist.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:28:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'I') am a communist your damn right. Just like the borg. Capitalism only works for the rich. If you have no money then you are a slave to the capitalist.



Oops. You lost me there.

There were plenty of slaves for the communists. Enough innocent people were swept up and worked to death for the communists in the Siberian gulags during the last century to far outstrip the Nazi death toll.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby lawnchair » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:42:30

As has been noted, this notion has been baked.

Operation Plowshare

Ended up with fallout-boosted natural gas that no one wanted.

The Ruskies did it more than 50 times.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby sciencegirl » Mon 21 May 2007, 18:48:41

"There were plenty of slaves for the communists. Enough innocent people were swept up and worked to death for the communists in the Siberian gulags during the last century to far outstrip the Nazi death toll."

Well Stalin was not exactely a nice guy. I do not support that kind of communism. I do believe that a constitution would be needed to garantee personal freedoms so that monsters like Stalin would never have the power to kill so many innocents.

Capitalism does provide for greater production however.

Example: When I go to work. I work my arse off. I try and get as much done as possible for fear of being fired and replaced by someone else.

If I had the same job in a communist society, then I would be garanteed work, and so I would be a little lazier and less hurried as I go about my duties.

But I am still a communist at heart because I want to be able to go to a job that I don't have to be in fear of loosing. It has the potential of offering a far less stressful way of life, provided you are able to live with less production. If we had population control then even having less production would not make much of a differance. Their would still be plenty of resources to go around.

But who cares about my political preferances. I still think that population control would be good for any political system, because it would offer more resources for the rest of us.
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Re: A Crazy Idea

Unread postby SevenTen » Mon 21 May 2007, 21:19:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lawnchair', 'A')s has been noted, this notion has been baked.

Operation Plowshare

Ended up with fallout-boosted natural gas that no one wanted.

The Ruskies did it more than 50 times.

Thanks, I thought it was a crazy idea. The rest of you can carry on with whatever it was you were talking about. :)
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