[basil_hayden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mechler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sheb', 'J')ust another customer review:

Sort Version: Great Cans...& Get the optional spout.

Long Version:
I bought six about two months ago. They are all used, but in good to excellent shape. No leaks, but dents in two. They come with a changeable lable plate above the spout that lest you pick between four different fuels-Diesel, Leaded, Regular unleaded, and super unleaded. Note that they are in German, so gasoline is refered to as Benzene (sp?).

I also bought a spout for them. And after using these cans with their spout to refill some 55-gal drums, and using some Blitz-type plastic cans, I can tell you, These are worth the money! Filling with anything else is like trying to drill holes with a hammer and screwdriver in comparison.

Having extra gaskets is probably a good idea...Where did you get them, Mechler?

That said, seven fit perfectly in the back of Ford Ranger pickup, lined up behind the cab (ditto for 2000-series Mazda) and strapped to the forward corner tie-downs.

[Sheb]

[quote="basil_hayden] Storing gas is silly, when I'm out of gas and see you driving, I take your car. Get it?

Heating oil is different though, you won't see me driving my house around, and it's made to last as opposed to volatile gasoline.[/quote]

If you did, I can guarantee you would no longer be breathing, surprise or not. I might neither, but I would ensure the first part. You may to rethink your estimate of the ease of taking things, get it? I suspect that you would have the same luck from several others who post here regularly. There are all kinds of scavengers...and by the numbers we are looking at, most will have significantly curtailed lifespans.

It may also be worth mentioning that if you try taking gasoline, there is a good chance you do not get what you think you are getting...and become dogfood shortly thereafter. (I'm really not a big fan of canibalism, but the dogs have to eat too:) ) When there is a contest between those with the mindset to take preparations...any preparations, versus those who want to leech off them, bet on the former.

Also, you may not realize this, but there are also many other uses of gasoline.

Food for thought Basil.

[basil_hayden]

Sheb -

I completely agree with what you wrote, and I am not a Taker, I should have worded it better. My bad, and I deserved what you intended to write.

What I meant is that the Takers will take it, be it the bum down the street or Aaron's Reapers.

Sorry for the miscommunication, and I hope we run into each other on good terms, obviously, because I haven't been trained to kill, as you obviously have. My "combat experience" is limited to paintball, LOL.

A goal in my life is to get through it without killing humans (so far so good), but the reality is that is just not going to happen. Having gasoline stored just ups the ante for the downtrodden, IMHO. I'm not talking about a 5 gallon can or whatever, nor am I talking about a family farmer who needs machinery to work, I'm talking about the folks who seem to think they can store 100 gallons or so in their basement or garage.

Hope I was clearer this time around, and sorry for stepping on your Superman nerve.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'I')'m not talking about a 5 gallon can or whatever, nor am I talking about a family farmer who needs machinery to work, I'm talking about the folks who seem to think they can store 100 gallons or so in their basement or garage.

Hope I was clearer this time around, and sorry for stepping on your Superman nerve.

[basil_hayden]

Having much of something that's scarce does not put you at advantage in this world, it puts you at a disadvantage.

After all, that is our oil under their sands, right?

We all have the "right" to hoard what we can afford.
Choose wisely.

I just hope you gasoline hoarders know how to manage your stockpile in an environmentally responsible manner, otherwise you'll probably be polluting the three things you need first - your shelter and your water supply and your food supply.

Save the last gallon for self-immholation....I'll be chowing down on homegrown, canned food, maybe some popcorn for the show.

[Sheb]

There are far too many gross assumptions and generalizaitons in that last post to be able to even respond to it...but here goes.

1.) Having what is needed when it is rare, and being able to defend it will keep one in a much better position than those that don't.

2.) People tend to project what they would do themselves in a situation onto others. Wasting resources burning yourself may be what you do, but I guarantee you, we are of vastly different mindsets. For others, the last gallon could be used more constructively, like for tossing into the homes of those who have nothing better to do than to sit back munching on goodies. If you were unlucky enough to be that person, because of the "I'm esey prey" aura you unknowingly give off, what would you do? Run outside? Just what they would expect.

... Can anyone guess what happens then?

You may want to keep a gallon handy for your self for that reason.

At the risk of breaking the bubble of smugness you seem encircled by, but edible goodies and water will be *far* more valuable than gasoline. If that is all you have, you may find that you are of no value at all to others that want those goodies--literally not worth the food to eat and not able to defend it. And don't forget, not everyone lives in the densely populated northeast--upon which you seem to base your assumptions.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', ' ')It's the Scavenger Age, start thinking like one.
Gaskets are just rubber, use old inner tubes.
Fuel tanks with corrosion problems can be Creemed inside (look it up).
One siphon will work in a variety of cans/tanks, with or without spouts.
Storing gas is silly, when I'm out of gas and see you driving, I take your car. Get it?
Heating oil is different though, you won't see me driving my house around, and it's made to last as opposed to volatile gasoline.

[basil_hayden]

Whatever floats your boat, Sheb.

You're new here, but let me clue you in on a little something I've noticed over a couple years:

Every time gas in the USA exceeds $2.75 per gallon, the same ole threads reappear -

How to stockpile gas, and

How to get methane from Jupiter, and (my personal favorite)

Let's March on Washington to get gas prices lower...

ROFLMAO ....!

The rest of your post is not worth replying to, I have more experience with petroleum products storage in my pinky than you'll ever have in a lifetime. I provided safe, easy, cheap, workable, common sense solutions. If you want to buy everything from Ebay, more power to you.

If you want to be abrasive and take my comments the wrong way, carry on, I have better things to do.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'Y')ou're new here, but let me clue you in on a little something I've noticed over a couple years.

[basil_hayden]

OK douchebag, let's nit pick, shall we? I like mud, feel completely at home in it. So let's get down to business.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sheb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'Y')ou're new here, but let me clue you in on a little something I've noticed over a couple years.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'T')he rest of your post is not worth replying to, ... If you want to be abrasive and take my comments the wrong way, carry on, I have better things to do.

[basil_hayden]

Not exactly, I had better things to do earlier, but plenty of time to put a douchebag like you in his place now.

I'd characterize it more as venom than hot air. Sometimes I can't help myself, I just hate stupid pompous fucks, call it a weakness. Nobody's perfect, I guess.

Also, I was hoping someday to be immortalized in the Hall of Flames, and you provided the opportunity. I consider that an honor, too bad you wouldn't know what that word meant, being a paid killer and all.

Thanks, junior, now run along before you hurt yourself.

I may ad hominem atttack when provoked, but at least my posts address some issues, while your posts address no issues, typical professional engineering practice. Why SOLVE a problem when you can personally benefit by things fucking up? First you put the asbestos in the building, then 50 years later you're taking it all out. Just one example of many. Twats like you need some attitude adjustment, and I'm up for the task.

Why don't you at least attempt to answer the questions posed instead of fixating on my huge, throbbing pinky? Do I detect a serious case of pinky envy? That's not healthy. Jealousy will get you nowhere.

Now get together with the rest of your professional (they call prostitutes "professionals" too, by the way, coincidence? I think not) engineering friends and design a good comeback before their jobs end up in India, K? You'll need your friends, because in the battle of wits, you are clearly unarmed, you nitpicking fuckstain.

[Revi]

Flamers be gone!

I'd like to hear more about what people are doing.

It seems like gas doesn't last very long at all nowadays. I had a gallon for only about 6 months and it went bad. I forgot to put sta-bil in it.

By the way, I was told never to put sta-bil in mixed chainsaw gas. The oil has something in it that will preserve the gas anyway.

[Sheb]

Sorry about that. When the best someone can do is give absurd "technical" suggestions, followed by name calling, I can't help but call B.S..

Short Answer: Seal the gasonline so the lighter stuff cannot evaporate away.

Long Answer:
As for storage, its really an issue of how well you seal the storage container and how much air you seal in with it. As I understand it, it is the boiloff of the smaller alkanes (pentane, hexane...) that diminishes the quality of the gas. These will have higher vapor pressures at standard temperatures. Which means they will evaporate out of the gas and leak through the nozzle if there is any gap (as is the case with Blitz cans or with inadequate gaskets). When these burn off, the gasoline will not burn as well in an otto-cycle engine tuned for standard gas. HOwever, as someone mentioned in another thread, there is no reason gasoline cannot be stored indefinitely if sealed well with little to no air.

The poster I mentioned above indicated many years storage. Again, if it's stored right, no reason that can't be the case. From a safety standpoint, a safety valve probably wouldn't hurt either.

[Mechman]

Revi,

I thought I was doing well but TnAndy has most of us beat:
Thanks TnAndy, I bow to the Fuel Storage Master and I will improve my own methods from your information.

[Transportation] Gasoline Containers and Storage
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic28456.html


I also have some earlier tips and successful 6 year gasoline storage experiments in:

GAO report blackout
http://peakoil.com/fortopic28363.html

Happy and successful fuel storage!

[Dukat_Reloaded]

Why not use 55 gal oil drums, I have seen quite a few of them lying around at dumps , able to be picked up for free, use those to store fuel.

[TnAndy]

Mechman....

Thanks.....I just share what I do.

I posted quite a bit in the thread referenced, so ya'll might want to go look at it.

Stabil brand perservative is second rate stuff......the best stuff is PRI-G for gasoline, and PRI-D for diesel. Google it......I've never seen it for sale locally, I always have to buy it online. PRI will let you store gasoline for many years if you seal the container properly...as Sheb said, the lighter components of gasoline tend to evaporate off easily.....key is to stop that with a good seal.

Also temperature is VERY important......if where you store your fuels ( and PLEASE don't store it in the same structure you LIVE in....jeezzz ) in an area that the temperature swings wildly, from cold to hot, your container seal is far less likely to survive due to expansion and contraction of the container......try to store in the most cool area that STAYS cool.

As for using 55gal drums you'd find at a dump, I wouldn't.....who knows what's been in them and how it would affect your fuel.....be a shame to find out the hard way, huh ?

Check with local fuel and oil distributors.....they sell lubricants in bulk to many places and our local Exon dealer takes the used drums back....and has a PILE of them at their place you can get for nothing, because they are actually a disposal problem to them....they don't send them back for refilling due to cost of shipping. I get nearly new drums that have only had motor oil or transmission oil in them.....little bit of that won't hurt gasoline at all.


One of the main reasons I store fuel is NOT that I plan to drive anywhere.....but I plan to run my tractor, tiller and chainsaws for a long dadgum time. 100 gallons a year will keep my family fed and warm.....it won't be wasted driving to town for a McDonalds that is closed.

[Dukat_Reloaded]

Well I'm sure if you were a DIY person, cleaning the barrels out wouldn't be too hard by using soapy water. A person afew years ago could have filled up a nice supply at $1.50 a gallon, then again this Jan. If you have a diesel car/tractor, you could have been filling them up with homemade biodiesel or diesel which I understand has a much longer shelf life. Yes TnAndy, I don't see many businesses open when the majority of people have only FRN's to trade for real goods and services. I don't like keeping paper money, but then again I wouldn't borrow money to buy tangibles, it's still a flip of the coin wether we will get inflation or deflation further down the road, but one thing is for certain it will not remain goldilocks like it is for now, it will head to either extream shortly.

[KevO]

$5 on the way

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he U.S. raised concern gasoline might run short this summer.

[MrMambo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '
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we've peaked haven't we?