[basil_hayden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Scalar', ' ')I know what kind secret weapons countries like Russia and China posess.

[Pops]

Well, adios then S.

As you said:
Resistance is futile!

Never forget that and you never need take responsibility.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')(do they still have reset buttons?)

[MD]

It makes me want to get on ebay and find a sinclair and an old 19" zenith black and white so I can show these snot nosed kids how the gaming biz really works!

[MD]

There were all kinds of sinclairs on ebay! Now I want to build a Heathkit too!

sorry going waaay off topic here

[pepper2000]

Cripes. It won't be long before Rush Limbaugh finds a way to blame the liberal elite for the hurricane, or until Falwell gets his input in. Some people will believe anything . . .

[Madpaddy]

This weather manipulation technology has been around for thousands of years. The English used it to destroy the Spanish Armada in the 1500's and have used it ever since to keep ireland wet and miserable.

This thread should go into a new forum called "Crock of [expletive]".

(edited for profanity- KiddieKorral)

[Macsporan]

I can keep it inside no longer.

It is I, Macsporan, who caused this disaster, using my incredible mental powers, and the help of my Martian friends.

Bwhahahahahah!

[MD]

I set my mental supression generator against your powers and send your storm reeling into the abyss from whence it came!

[Scalar]

To bad you missed it, an expert on "Inviting Disaster" discussed on C 2 C the other night about how funds were diverted from fixing and reinforcing N.O.s levees to war efforts etc.
James Chiles offered analysis of the New Orleans crisis. The breaches in the levees could have been avoided, he noted, but federal funding to improve the system was not prioritized, even though it had been requested years earlier. Now, it could take months to empty the water out of the lower areas of the city, he said. See this link. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/08/31.html People better start showing some respect for this radio's forum conspiracy or not!

Saturday nights guest will be, "Matt Savinar -Oil Issues-
Matt Savinar, who created the Life After the Oil Crash site, will be discussing the possible repercussions on fuel prices and availability in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina." Just more wackos we crazies listen too! LMAO at you Doubting Thomass. If your not sane, You don't want to miss this show. Check for affiliates on the C2C site.

I'm just one of many modern day "Minute Men" trying to warn of this impending catastrophe. I bet you guys would have shot Paul Revere when he rode to warn that "The British Were Coming" British, what the hell is this guy talking about, what British, suddenly a column of RedCoats appear and your dead!

And now last nights guest, another "wacko"
Charles Ostman

Senior Fellow - Institute for Global Futures

Charles Ostman has spent 25+ years working in the fields of electronics, physics, computers, artificial intelligence, and most recently, various aspects of applied and theoretical Nanotechnology. Starting with eight years at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley, he has since worked in a variety of private industry technology laboratories and development facilities. He currently is a member of the science advisory board of Nanothinc, a San Francisco based privately held Nanotechnology focus and development group, and a senior fellow of the Institute for Global Futures. He is also currently science editor of Mondo 2000, a Berkeley based, worldwide circulated technology and future culture magazine, and technical editor/author for Midnight Engineering, a technical trade journal which addresses the entrepreneurial engineering community. He has been published in a number of books, including CyberLife and Secrets. His primary interests are in the development of the next generation of self evolving computing systems, artificial life forms, Nanotechnology, and virtual reality as an art medium. He also worked at Los Alamos Laboratory

I shared his credentials,because I find them respectable and I dare someone to call him a "Nut Job" I'm just curious are any of you familiar with the tale "The Emperors New Clothes"? because quite frankly guys, the Emperor is stark naked, and you guys think he's fully clothed! lol

Guess what? He is now the fourth person/expert to join the other "Cranks,tin hats,wackos,nut jobs" who poses a "strong theory" that weather manipulation is real, and it's being used for "geopolotical purposes" He cites this article in "India Daily" which is like India's version of the Wall Street Journal, I.E. very respected in their country "Methods of Artificial Weather Manipulation(AWM) help agriculture, devastate the enemy and control the world economy http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/2070.asp He also made mention to how Russia offered publicly to help China steer away a Typhoon. Don't believe it? Just do a search for it, it was in the news and I remember the headline, and I couldn't believe what I was reading!

Yep he was also interviewed on C 2 C. Funny thing is George Noory the host himself sides with you guys ironically, he has been quoted as saying "Why can't we just say it's Mother Nature and leave it at that?" He has a hard time believing this, and even got a fax/email from a listener that said "Your guests, who say this, our all nuts, come on weather manipulation, it's impossible" Response from Oster was, i'm not saying it, the data is available just search for the information. They mentioned "Oil Storm" and how the scenario is now playing itself out, he postured that perhaps the movie was a preview of things to come? One thing I have to ask what are the Odds of a "Hurricane" hitting Port Fourchon, dead on, destroying N.O. and this close to Labor Day, as was in the movie? They have to be astronomical! You have to admit that's a little too damned coincidental!

He made a reference to HAARP and how they, the U.S. military found that not only can it be used for LF com with submarines, but it can create heat in the atmosphere,which can plausibly heat up storm systems. He also said that there is a very good chance this method has been perfected. I did a search for HAARP and russia and look what I found on the web site for "Federation Of American Scientists", more nut jobs, right?

"Title: Russian parliament concerned about US plans to develop new weapon"
Document Number: FBIS-SOV-2002-0808
Document Date: 08 Aug 2002
Division: Russia, North America
Subdivision: Russia, United States
Sourceline: CEP20020808000087 Moscow Interfax in English 1009 GMT 8 Aug 02
Citysource: Moscow Interfax
Language: English"

[FBIS Transcribed Text] MOSCOW. Aug 8 (Interfax) - The Russian State
Duma has expressed concern about the United States' program to develop a qualitatively new type of weapon.
"Under the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), the
U.S. is creating new integral geophysical weapons that may influence the
near-Earth medium with high-frequency radio waves," the State Duma said
in an appeal circulated on Thursday.
"The significance of this qualitative leap could be compared to the
transition from cold steel to fire arms, or from conventional weapons to
nuclear weapons. This new type of weapons differs from previous types in
that the near-Earth medium becomes at once an object of direct influence
and its component.
These conclusions were made by the commission of the State Duma's
international affairs and defense committees, the statement reads.
The committees reported that the U.S. is planning to test three
facilities of this kind. One of them is located on the military testing
ground in Alaska and its full-scale tests are to begin in early 2003. The
second one is in Greenland and the third one in Norway.
"When these facilities are launched into space from Norway, Alsaka and
Greenland, a closed contour will be created with a truly fantastic
integral potential for influencing the near-Earth medium," the State Duma
said.
The U.S. plans to carry out large-scale scientific experiments, under
the HAARP program, and not controlled by the global community, will
create weapons capable of breaking radio communication lines and
equipment installed on spaceships and rockets, provoke serious accidents
in electricity networks and in oil and gas pipelines and have a negative
impact on the mental health of people populating entire regions, the
deputies said.
They demanded that an international ban be put on such large-scale
geophysical experiments.
The appeal, signed by 90 deputies, has been sent to President Vladimir
Putin, to the United Nations and other international organizations, to
the parliaments and leaders of the UN member countries, to the scientific
public and to mass media outlets.
Among those who signed the appeal are Tatyana Astrakhankina, Nikolai
Kharitonov, Yegor Ligachev, Sergei Reshulsky, Vitaly Sevastyanov, Viktor
Cherepkov, Valentin Zorkaltsev and Alexei Mitrofanov.

[Description of Source: Moscow Interfax in English -- non-government
information agency known for its aggressive reporting, extensive economic
coverage, and good coverage of Russia's regions]
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/haarp-duma.htm


Apparently this "E.M. Scalar technology can also influence fault lines "

"MOSCOW, Mar 05, 2002 (Itar-Tass via COMTEX) -- The earthquake that shook Central and South Asia last Sunday might have been triggered by super-modern weapons intensively used by the US aviation in the seismically dangerous areas of Afghanistan, a source in a Moscow geophysical research center has told Itar-Tass on condition of anonymity. He said the supposition was confirmed by the unusually strong and lengthy tremors (up to one minute) that originated in the Hindu Kush Mountains and spread onto Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan and India. Even old residents of Kabul do not remember an earthquake similar to the Sunday tremor that exceeded 6 points on the Richter scale."

On Sunday, March 3, the area in which the US is fighting Afganistan Muslim Al-Aqeda forces was suddenly hit by an historically unusual 7.2 Richter Scale earthquake. Let us quickly examine this news report:

No one is saying these storms were created, only that they were taken control of. If you Mensa members don't want to even explore the plausability then fine, but the data and evidence is there, and soon you will be in the minority. A caller brought up the so-called hoax "Report From Iron Mountain" from the 60's that says there is just no chance for peace and the only way to control the population is continue to wage horrific wars, with horrific technology. Hell there is even a U.N. treaty that forbids weather modification, why the hell would you have a treaty for something that is impossible? "NEWS BRIEF: "United States and Other World Powers Should Outlaw Tampering With Weather for Use as War Weapon", Editorial by Senator Claiborne Pell, D- Rhode Island, The Providence Journal Bulletin, 1975.

"The U.S. and other world powers should sign a treaty to outlaw the tampering with weather as an instrument of war. It may seem farfetched to think of using weather as a weapon -- but I'm convinced that the U.S. did, in fact, use rainmaking techniques as a weapon of war in Southeast Asia."

Let us stop right here and now and digest just what Senator Claiborne Pell has told us. He said that the United States used Weather as a Weapon during the Vietnam War. We fought the Vietnam War from 1965-74 in a large capacity. Using Weather Weapons in the early 1970's would fit the time frame with which we are familiar.

The U.N. treaty we discussed above was passed one year after this article appeared quoting Senator Pell. Now, let us hear some more from Senator Pell.

"We need a treaty now to prevent such actions -- before the military leaders of the world start directing storms, manipulating climates, and inducing earthquakes against their enemies. The basic idea of environmental warfare is simple -- if a nation can learn to trigger natural events it can inflict terrible damage on an enemy through rainfall, flooding, tidal waves, earthquakes, and even climate changes that could devastate an enemy nation's agriculture." [Ibid.] "

An Interesting point Oster made was, why is the response from the Govt. so slow, and late? He theorizes that they the Govt. know this was a "Weather Attack" and that if they had a response team ready to go ala post 9-11 preparedness, I.E. homeland security etc. That they would have to explain themselves, or something like that, I only wish you doubting Thomases could have listened to the interview. So I suppose when Kennedy said "Man will someday go to the moon" you guys would have said "He's a crackpot" well unless your one of those wackos who believes, we never went, guess what not only was it possbile but we went! So are you Mensas ready to say, hmm maybe there is something to this Weather Wars after all, or do we just wait for the next volly and hope another city like N.O. doesn't get decimated?

BTW no one is going to convince me that Katrina was a Cat 3, I have never seen a Cat 3 do so much damage. Are you guys that naive to think that we and the Russians and Chinese don't control these types of W.M.D.? The only thing is the Russians have had the money from the U.S. to work on it a much longer time and perfect it better! If you still doubt all this then, don't be too surprised what comes next! Haven't you guys heard "Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction" and that truth is going bite us all in the ass! Why is this so important to P.O.? because as you can see it's sped up the scenario! Another interesting point, why if we are at peace with Russia we have refused disaster help from them? Others are asking similar questions, http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/read ... Num=107231 but in all fairness Oster brought that up, not me, but it makes you wonder. I suspect the cold war never ended, it just shifted to controling "Mother Nature" As the commerical used to say "It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature"

[skateari]

If there is no such thing as Weather Modification, why would Weather Modification laws exisit?

Its safe to say if there are laws governing an invention, then the invention does indeed exist, and exist in such a large quantity that they need to be controlled.

"To put this principle in another way, the very existence of laws about autos proves that autos exist, and exist in enough quantity to prove to be a huge problem without the laws that regulate them.

The existence of the recorded law regulating automobiles proves the existence of the automobile to anyone who has never seen one in his life!"

Do Weather Modification Laws exist? Yes they do.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1196a.html#a1 :

<b>CONVENTION ON THE PROHIBITION OF MILITARY OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES

Adopted by Resolution 31/72 of the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1976. The Convention was opened for signature at Geneva on 18 May 1977.

ARTICLE I

1. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to any other State Party.

2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, group of States or international organization to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.


ARTICLE II
As used in article 1, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing - through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes--the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.


ARTICLE III
1. The provisions of this Convention shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law concerning such use.

2. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of scientific and technological information on the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes. States Parties in a position to do so shall contribute, alone or together with other States or international organizations, to international economic and scientific co-operation in the preservation, improvement and peaceful utilization of the environment, with due consideration for the needs of the developing areas of the world."</b>

It would be insane (pointless, and quite a waste of time) to create written laws about something that does not even exist. Not to mention these are laws created by a United Nations Treaty. So by having laws about Weather Modfication, it poses no doubt in my mind that weather modification exists.

[skateari]

<b>NEWS BRIEF: "Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones", by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal, Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19.</b>

"KULA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone. "Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone."

[Z]

BS is very dense here.

[Ezekiel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he search, which focuses on ever "smaller and more difficult pockets" of oil and gas, should secure supplies for decades, believes Tom Botts, vice president in charge of Shell's European exploration and production operations.

But it is also likely to mean consumers will have to pay dearly for energy in the future.

"High oil and gas prices are necessary to secure a non-Opec increase in supply," observes Mr Enoksen.

[EnergySpin]

How is this relevant to climate change?
I think you skipped more than reasoning stages here ....

[Ezekiel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', 'H')ow is this relevant to climate change?
I think you skipped more than reasoning stages here ....

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ezekiel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', 'H')ow is this relevant to climate change?
I think you skipped more than reasoning stages here ....

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '
')But po or not po ... climate change mandates we get off the carbon crack

[Heineken]

Duh, uh, maybe because CO2 is a major greenhouse gas.

[backstop]

It seems about time that those US farmers, christians, and businesses who oppose Climate Destabilization started challenging this lobby at home.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/sto ... 16,00.html

The documents, an email and a PowerPoint presentation, describe efforts to establish a European coalition to "challenge the course of the EU's post-2012 agenda". They were written by Chris Horner, a Washington DC lawyer and senior fellow at the rightwing thinktank, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, which has received more than $1.3m (£750,000) funding from the US oil giant Exxon Mobil. Mr Horner also acts for the Cooler Heads Coalition, a group set up "to dispel the myth of global warming".
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In January Sir Robert May, the former government chief scientist who stepped down as president of the Royal Society last week, warned in the Guardian that US lobby groups with links to the oil industry were turning their attention to the other side of the Atlantic. He wrote that a "lobby of professional sceptics who opposed action to tackle climate change" were targeting Britain because of its high profile in the debate.
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The document says: "The current political realities in Brussels open a window of opportunity to challenge the course of the EU's post-2012 agenda." It adds: "Brussels must openly acknowledge and address them willingly or through third party pressure."

It says industry associations are the "wrong way to do this" but suggests that a cross-industry coalition, of up to six companies each paying €10,000 (£6,700), could "counter the commission's Kyoto agenda". Such a coalition could help steer debate, it says, by targeting journalists and bloggers, as well as attending environmental group events to "share information on opposing viewpoints and tactics".
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